"sheperdingking you are a servant of the devil. There is a heavy price to pay for deceiving the young and I assure you that unless you repent you shall surely pay it."
Itasca:
I moved your comment to biblical discussion and need to know what you call a false teacher? Is this in response to my quote of 1 Tim 4 that false teachers say divorced people should not be allowed to remarry. I do not label false teachers or a " servant of the devil" if they merely disagree with my views.
CG, welcome. And I encourage you to continue speaking out in boldness, and firmness regarding God's word. There is no time or place for ANY Christian to play the game of trying to be politically correct in what they say when it comes to God's WORD.
Our stance as Christians should be to seek to be Spiritually RIGHT and BOLD, when it come to the things of God and scripture. Your spiritual insight is on track, you detected error in Shep's word. Any time what a person says DOES NOT LINE UP with what God has to say, and it causes you confusion, when you know that you know it does not line up with scripture, always BEWARE!
Howver, everyone must udnerstand that just because a person is in error, this DOES NOT make the person a heretic... it only means they are incoreect with what the scripture is revealing. Whe a person seeks to do things their way, and be a Christian, the devil uses this agianst them, and this is where many believers get into problems with understanding God's word. They try to make it fit into their pockets, so they can find comfort in their SINS!
This is the problem with many Christians believers on this site in Biblical discussions or spiritual matters, they are TRYING TO INTERPRET the scriptures, which is a carnal means to trying to understand and fugure out what God is saying... leaning to their OWN understanding of God's divine word, and trying to make their SINS approved by God with scriptures.
God tells us that THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL REVEAL, AND OPEN OUR UNDERSTANDING INTO HIS WORD.
So if it ain't REVEALED thorugh the works of the Holy Spirit what a passage is saying, and if you can't connect the dots of the passage with the Word of God, and IF NO ONE IS EDIFIED FROM WHAT IS BEING SAID, rest assured what is being said IS NOT from God, its from the thoughts of the person speaking what THEY want the scriptures to say..
Please don't get side tracked with the NONESSENTIALS of what Itasca said back to Dennis... Dennis is usually sound in what he says, but sometimes as ALL OF US, he too, get off course and take offense when others speak back at him, or when he is not all together in the flow(understanding) of what someone says.
I really don't think Dennis cared too much about Itasca's response, because Dennis knows he too has misspoken a time or two. All this has much to do about nothing.:zzzz:lol Dennis knows I love him, and I know he loves me, and I hope everyone knows I love them, but there is a time for ALL THINGS!
CG, Hang in there and don't allow anyone to chase you way or try to CONFORM you when it comes to speaking your peace. Everybody tries to get so offended when others speak back, yet, when they speak, they think no one should have a word back at them. That's hypocrisy. I say anyone who gets so offended at the little things others express, I sure would like to see how they respond when the hard stuff comes around during the coming of our Lord.
I am also very glad and prasie God Jesus nor the apostles or the disciples allowed anyone to offend them during their minitry, we would be in a bad place about now. As the old syaing goes, if you can't take the heat, then you (generic you) stay out the line of fire, and let those who can deal with the blaze of the fire do their thing.
I have never in all my days in ministry seen so many soft feathered Crhistians as I have expereinced on this board. It only lets me know they are not mature, and they have never witness to anyone outside of being behind the creen of this forum. No street experience AT ALL. This is why they pretend they get soo offended at the least little things a person says or when someone disagrees with them. Still babes, trying to be grownups, all dressed up and no place to go
CG, Just stand your grounds and speak out when you feel things are going south when they should be going north...LOL
Yeah, I've had it out with Shep some times back, he's a nice guy who is INTERPRETING the scripture according to his OWN understanding, insteading leaning on REVELATION from the Holy Spirit to open his spiritual eyes and mind to understand... this is how we get GOD"S WISDOM, GOD'S KNOWLEDGE, AND GOD'S UNDERSTANDING, which is different that ours, and as Paul say, this is spiritually DISCERNED, and NOT humanly understaood.
As I said, Shep has not been truly converted and is trying to hang on to his fleshly desires and make them fit in to God's word, and being a born agian Christian... can't mix the two, God say He owuld rather we be hot or cold, and he knows this, but denys the truth of the matter. I also must admit he is not off course in SOMETHINGS, but he enjoys discussions on relationships, men in control over women, marriage, and the likes. He'll get over it soon as he gets a touch from God:yay::dancingp:
Dennis, you are spiritual minded, becasue you take time to go in search of the truth about what others say, or those things you don't understand, and this is why I like what you speak in certain matters...
Keep up the good and faith work of a godly servant, you have come a long ways since you first came on this forum. And this is why I appreciate most of your input and comments:applause::glow:love ya:yay::dancingp::peace:
Well, I'm pretty sure, if we're honest, that all of us are guilty of twisting scripture to some degree or at some point. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. And the first one that says they have all knowledge, and all truth, and understand all scripture...I will probably laugh at them...in a loving way of course:laugh:, right before I bow in fear to their spiritual axe. I think we can tell each other what we believe by faith and try to prove our points, but when we start chopping off spiritual heads, then there is not much love for those that we are "rebuking"/"chastening". We are not all at the same place in our christian walk. We are all still learning. God knows where we are, and He will lead us where He wants us. Why is "you're demon from the pits of hell!!" our first reaction to someone we believe to be in error? Maybe God is leading them out of error into His truth, and instead of helping the process, we're treating them like they're trying to drag souls to the gates of hades?
False believers is funny, but maybe imperfect believers is more accurate.
Cowgirl you are right to notice my take on divorce and remarriage is different. I know the traditional teachings on the matter but new evidence has given me light on the hard to understand parts. That is why it is confusing to others.
but this thread is asking the definition of marriage to better understand all that helps or hurts it. I am surprised no one has said marriage is one man and one woman joined for life. Instead, some feel it is more important to focus on correcting others than helping me understand a clear definition of marriage. I believe the bible says it is a "giving and receiving in marriage." And for some crazy reason I think it is meant to be a good thing. Jesus disciples asked Him, maybe it not such a good thing if it is like that being married. Of course His disciples got things wrong plenty of times too. If they are correct, it would be better not to marry. That is where i am at. It is not a problem being single.
If there are followers of Jesus here they should not pretend they have all the answers. I don't.
But to repeat the point that got everyone so hot. The bible speaks of a circumstance where sex outside of marriage takes place and they are not condemned to death but instead told to marry, IF the man is acceptable to the girls father. If not, the man has to pay the father. But he is not condemned to death. my point is that other sexual sins are condemned to death but this Old Testament example is not. Why is that? And it raises the question how does God see marriage. Is it a 'giving and receiving" or a piece of paper, a public acknowledgement and/or announcement. Is it a transfer of a girl from her father's authority to a husband.
I would like to know. What is a marriage? The disciples seem to say marriage is not really a good thing. If that be the case maybe we are saying it is better not to marry, or even forbid marriage?. The bible says if you are loosed from a wife do not seek marriage (forbidden?) and if you are married do not seek to be loosed. So if you do remarry, and many here have been divorced and might remarry, it will happen when you are not looking for it, i.e. God makes it happen. And we learn from our mistakes. At least I try too.
False believers is funny, but maybe imperfect believers is more accurate.
Cowgirl you are right to notice my take on divorce and remarriage is different. I know the traditional teachings on the matter but new evidence has given me light on the hard to understand parts. That is why it is confusing to others.
but this thread is asking the definition of marriage to better understand all that helps or hurts it. I am surprised no one has said marriage is one man and one woman joined for life. Instead, some feel it is more important to focus on correcting others than helping me understand a clear definition of marriage. I believe the bible says it is a "giving and receiving in marriage." And for some crazy reason I think it is meant to be a good thing. Jesus disciples asked Him, maybe it not such a good thing if it is like that being married. Of course His disciples got things wrong plenty of times too. If they are correct, it would be better not to marry. That is where i am at. It is not a problem being single.
If there are followers of Jesus here they should not pretend they have all the answers. I don't.
But to repeat the point that got everyone so hot. The bible speaks of a circumstance where sex outside of marriage takes place and they are not condemned to death but instead told to marry, IF the man is acceptable to the girls father. If not, the man has to pay the father. But he is not condemned to death. my point is that other sexual sins are condemned to death but this Old Testament example is not. Why is that? And it raises the question how does God see marriage. Is it a 'giving and receiving" or a piece of paper, a public acknowledgement and/or announcement. Is it a transfer of a girl from her father's authority to a husband.
I would like to know. What is a marriage? The disciples seem to say marriage is not really a good thing. If that be the case maybe we are saying it is better not to marry, or even forbid marriage?. The bible says if you are loosed from a wife do not seek marriage (forbidden?) and if you are married do not seek to be loosed. So if you do remarry, and many here have been divorced and might remarry, it will happen when you are not looking for it, i.e. God makes it happen. And we learn from our mistakes. At least I try too.
I do not recall what you are talking ABOUT, (short term memory loss?). But generally it is best not to call people names. and I think maybe that is what you are saying. And I love to invoke the Name of Jesus often because the devil hates it. If others do not like to hear the name of Jesus how can they rejoice. I have not lost my Joy. I hope others find theirs.
And even teachers/prophets in the bible were not perfect 24/7. Jonah(prophet) directly disobeyed God. Balaam(prophet) turned against God and was killed with the pagans. Peter(apostle) was by no means perfect. I'm sure Judas(apostle) was a good teacher and worked miracles at some point. Miriam(prophetess) was stricken with leprosy because she thought she knew better than God. Aaron(high priest) made an idol for the children of Israel to worship. The list could go on and on about the mistakes that men and women of God made. The trick was, did they turn back to God when God showed them their error or did they chose to commit themselves to total rebellion? The perfect example of this would be Lucifer. I believe he had a chance to be forgiven, but he chose his own way. Just the fact that satan was able to deceive 1/3 of the angels is pretty good evidence that God was long-suffering toward him.
