Author	Thread: Do ALL suicides go to hell?
rainbowian View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 9 Oct, 2010 08:27 PM Basic question. What does the Bible say? Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 13 Oct, 2010 06:21 PM The question originally was regarding what the Bible says about suicide. Here are some suicides in the Bible: 2Sa 17:23 And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his donkey, and arose, and got him home to his house, to his city, and put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sepulcher of his father. 1Sa 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armorbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armorbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. 1Sa 31:5 And when his armorbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him. And of course the suicide of Judas has already been mentioned. There really doesn\'t seem to be any condemnation for suicide in and of itself. To say that it is murder is a little off though. Murder as it is spoken of in the scripture is an act of hatred toward someone else. I had mentioned previously that suicides are often accompanied by demonic possession or oppression. This was the case with Judas. The Bible says that Satan entered the heart of Judas prior to his denying Jesus and even though Judas did repent and return the silver coins he still committed suicide. Who knows what he was being told by Satan to do with himself? (Btw, I think it\'s interesting that Judas\' attempt to hang himself failed but he died anyway.) I do not think suicide is a selfish act. I have never understood why anyone would think that about it. I believe it is more an act of despair that gives no thought to others or to self. It is an action taken out of a sense of hopelessness. I also think it is not up to us to judge whether or not it is a sin. It is not murder nor is it an act of hatred. As far as it being an action taken by depressed people then yes it is likely caused by depression but only in very extreme cases. The people in the Bible who were calling out to God because things weren\'t going their way were probably not depressed. I think they might have been angry, disillusioned or confused and even distraught but they were not suffering with depression. Depression is a disease that affects the brain and causes problems with a persons thinking and reasoning and often affects their behavior but it is far from being bummed out about how a situation is going or what God will or won\'t do. Thunder Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 01:07 AM Thunder, I think you and those who think suicide IS NOT murder, and that it IS NOT A SIN, you're basing this on your own personal opinions, and is not you biblically based on scriptures... The Ten Commandments says THOU SHALL NOT KILL. We are also told throughout God's Word, that those who KILL/MURDER will NOT enter the kingdom of God. So what is the spiritual problem of understanding that there are NO exceptions or favors with God when it comes to violating His laws? SIN IS SIN doesn't matter if you're a saint or sinner. If killing (murdering) a person is a sin. Would not suicide(killing/murdering) one's self be the same sin? If suicide/self-murder is not a sin, then prey tell what is it called?..the person does die don't he/she? A true Christian will not murder/commit suicide if he/she is filled with the Holy Spirit of God. Where does FAITH come into light in a Christians life? Is not the body the temple of the Holy Spirit, if indeed the person has the Holy Spirit living on the inside, there would be no reason or problems, or pain, or sickness whatsoever for him/her to kill oneself. God has always answered when we call out to Him in distress. He keeps His promises. I must ask, Is committing murder pleasing to God? Is self-murder/suicide pleasing to God? Paul teaches us that if it is not of faith, it is SIN, and sins unrepented or confessed, you will go to hell when you die. If you're blow your brains out, how in the world can you repent for killing yourself. And how is tis pleasing to God just becasue you fail to endure during your chastening whether it be sickness or troubles, o whatever. God says endure until He has finsih His course of chastening with you. God always provide an escape for us, when we call upon HIs name. Suicide is a disconnection with God. Satan uses this disconnection to kill, steal, and destroy... DEFINITIONS: KILL: To cause the death of, or put to death, or slay a person. To destroy the vital or active qualities of a person. MURDER: The unlawfuland malicious or premeditated KILLING of a human being by another person. SUICIDE: The act of KILLING ONESELF intentionally. The ruin of one's interests or prospects through one's OWN actions. To MURDER ONESELF. SELF-MURDER... As Ive said suicide is all about unrepented sins, anger, pride, and shame, selfishness, lack of humility before God to pray and confess sins. Sucide is about the self, and not others, which makes it a selfish self-centered act if SIN! No one on this earth gave life, and no one on this earth should take a life. Therefore, the person who knows to do good (right) and does not do it, to that person it is SIN. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 01:37 AM I forgot, Thunder, you made mention of Ahithopel in 2 Samuel chapter 17. Surely, you know the story about this man, he was in cohoots with David's son Absalom, against David. Do you think God was going to allow him or anyone come up against David? No, way! Throughout the story of David, God protected David from his enemies, and gave David permission to kill his enemies. Ahithopel was once David's counselor, but when Absalom turned on his father (David) and tried to steal his throne, Ahithopel joined up with Ahithopel, and he no more protection from God. As I said, people who commit suicide are in SIN, and disconnected with God. Yes, Ahithopel killed himself, but this only proves my point about unrepented sin. This dude knew he was wrong for siding with Absalom against David, and he also knew if he didn't kill himself, God would allow David to kill him, or either Absalom would kill him. Again we find PRIDE and anger becsue Absalom ignored his counsel, but all he had to do was go to God and David and confess his wrong doing and repent. Then you make mention of Saul, in I Samuel chapter 31). Again, Saul was disconnected with God and his pride stood in his way from repenting before God. Remember, Saul sought out a witch for information about the things God had told him to do. God removed His Holy Spirit from Saul, and put an unclean spirit upon him. Yes, he killed himself, becasue Saul lost the war and he didn't want to suffer from his wounds he received in the battle, nor did he care for David or anyone to see him as a loser to David, so he killed himself. PRIDE TOOK HIM OUT when all he had to do is repnet before God. Yet, I'm still trying to understand the correlations, between Saul, Ahithople, and the topic, do all suicide go to hell... Saul had an unclean spirit of the devil upon him, becasue he denied the word and pwoer of God to win the war. And Ahithopel allowed his anger, and pride get the best of him, because he betrayed David and refused to repent... Therefore, SUBMIT to God. RESIST the devil and the devil will flee(run) from you. DRAW NEAR to God and God will draw near to you... Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 01:43 AM Correction, I meant to say Ahithopel joined up with Absalom against David......sorry. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 01:46 AM ooops. BTW, Thunder have you taken the time to read my back posts starting on page 2 ... Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 05:37 AM excellent response. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 09:21 AM Giving no thought to others is selfish. You'd only be focused on yourself and your problems, instead of putting others above yourself and trusting God with your problems like Christians are supposed to. "Non-mental-illness-related" suicide shows a huge lack of faith in God, a extreme sense of hopelessness that a converted person would not have, and a failure to commit yourself to God and others. The attitudes that lead to suicide will definitely not get you to heaven. And I'd even be careful about advocating mental illness as an excuse, because I do know of someone that killed themselves to get to heaven quicker...and that is a very dangerous/presumptuous/selfish thing to believe. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 10:36 AM Is our God confined by the limits of time? Does He see our lives as linear with the last moment here on earth as the most important? or Is our God outside the limits of time? If so, which moment in a person's life does He see as most important? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 02:35 PM I think the verse in Ezekiel 33 sums it up pretty well. It doesn't matter how good you were. You could be practically a saint, but if you willingly sin and do not repent, then none of your righteousness will be remembered. If you repent, then none of your wickedness will be remembered. Eze. 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousness shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live. 17Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal. 18When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby. 19But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby. 20Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Do ALL suicides go to hell? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 02:45 PM @Mark...So then, because we all sinners, are you saying we are saved by repentance? Post Reply

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