Author	Thread: is it okay for a man to sleep with a man
Admin	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 23 Sep, 2010 03:02 AM so there is the question : Is it okay for a man to sleep with a man? And if not how do you know? Who taught this? Did YAHSHUA teach this? IF not then were does it come from? If it came from the Torah and the old law is done away with then does that mean since i don't remember YAHSHUA teaching on it that it is one of the old laws to be done away with? So now can men sleep with men if the old law is gone?? Post Reply
hubbarddebra99 View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 27 Sep, 2010 11:11 AM Yes, yes, yes, homosexually is wrong and guess what? so are a lot of other sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It really hurts when you realize it might be someone you love that's in those sins. we call ourselves Christians, Where's The Commpassion!? This mama is GREVING! are we gonna condeme her, or love her, and pray for her and her child! My biological son is an Alcoholic, and not a Christian, and I LOVE HIM! He know about Christ, and I gentilly witness to him. He's hurting, he knows he's misserable, he IS a Sinner, but is a condeming attitude gonna get him any closer to saved? I have friends who are gay and like sons to me. I've invited them to church, but the contemp they feel keeps them away. Is that helping Christ? We gotta get 'Em into the church first! Post Reply
View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 04:06 AM Okay, instead of saying, yall are continuing to kill me, let me say this so that hopefully, if there are anymore responses to the post, it can be in the answering of the original question. If the original question had been how do we minister to men who sleep with other men, then the responses would I'm sure, been more to everyone's liking. We draw people with loving kindness while without compromise, boldly speak His Word, calling sin what it is while emphasizing God's love & mercy towards us all. I'm not as eloquent as Ella (girl you be killin' em!), & Silver cut to the heart of the matter when he said we are having a discussion amongst ourselves about what the Word says about whether this particular thing is wrong or permissible. I'm all for calling people out when they are being offensive, discriminatory and/or judgmental and condemning (I mean, my fist is raised over my head as I speak), I've done it myself here on this forum, this was just not one of those times. Post Reply
hubbarddebra99 View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 28 Sep, 2010 11:59 AM thank you! 1babygirl ! Post Reply
gracegrace View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 2 Oct, 2010 04:35 PM Somehow I think Icebro's real, subtly implied intent was to point out that the Old Testament is still part of the Bible. I could be wrong however. I personally think it is an excellent argument. Post Reply
View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 2 Oct, 2010 09:12 PM It doesn't have to be Jesus saying something is wrong. Paul spoke on the perversion of sodomy. Rom 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.---Remember this passage the next time you hear a sodomite claim the N.T. doesn't teach on homosex. Post Reply
View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 2 Oct, 2010 10:51 PM Sodom is mentioned over 40 times in the bible and over half it is used as an example of the punishment this particular sin deserves. I am not saying this because I have hate for these people, I to have love ones entangled in this sin. No matter how nice they are, or how close of a family member they are, if you "really" loved them you would share this with them, lovingly of course. It is not easy, I know from experience, and most likely they will reject it but to not warn them is the most unloving thing we can do. We can't let emotions dictate what the Bible clearly teaches. This goes for those living in fornication as well. How to witness to a gay person. If you go to a homosexual and talk about "that" sin they are well prepared to defend and fight for it so stay clear of that sin. Ask if they have always honored their mother and father or how many lies they have told, that will catch them off their guard and they will come more listening to what you have to say, if they are getting convected by the Spirit the conscience will guide them away from other sins, including that one. If they bring it up tell them the truth about what the Bible says then quickly move on. I love these people and shiver at the thought of the fate they will meet if they do not repent. We must warn them. After going through a few of the 10 commandments ask if they would be innocent or guilty on the day of judgment. They just admitted to a list of sins, they would be guilty. Then ask if they deserve heaven or hell? The answer should be hell, they are guilty. Then share the good news of the gospel that Jesus can pay the debt for their sins that they can not pay. God Himself came as a man and His sinless life, death and resurrection was the perfect sacrifice for our sins. It was a legal transaction to pay the dept for our crimes against Him, and if anyone will repent and trust Jesus Christ as LORD and savior they can have freedom from the bondage of sin and everlasting life. (Don't tell them to ask Jesus into their heart, He won't stay, and it's not in the Bible) Use the Law as a school master or tutor to lead them to Christ, that is how the Bible prescribes us to witness. And that is how we show our love to them, and to the world when we share that. We don't need to judge sinners, they have already been judged and found guilty and have been sentenced, they need to know there is away to escape the wrath that is to come. This problem has escalated recently because society has allowed people to come out of the closet and feel no shame. Shame is a bad thing for a person or nation to lose and we have pretty much lost our shame in America. Shame guides us to not do certain things. In America, I lay the blame at the feet of the church. Post Reply
gracegrace View Profile History	is it okay for a man to sleep with a man Posted : 3 Oct, 2010 01:59 PM MrRow said: Then share the good news of the gospel that Jesus can pay the debt for their sins that they can not pay. God Himself came as a man and His sinless life, death and resurrection was the perfect sacrifice for our sins. It was a legal transaction to pay the dept for our crimes against Him, and if anyone will repent and trust Jesus Christ as LORD and savior they can have freedom from the bondage of sin and everlasting life. (Don't tell them to ask Jesus into their heart, He won't stay, and it's not in the Bible) gracegrace says: Thank you for saying that. I believe the same and agree with you that it is not just "accepting Jesus in our heart". When I knelt alone in my own living room floor while watching MTV, I didn't believe in Jesus. I thought He was like a cartoon character. I honestly prayed to God to forgive me for not obeying Him and asked Him to accept me and (basically) look on me with favor. I told Him if He would have me, I was His. Jesus answered my prayer. When I opened my eyes, I saw the world differently, it was as if someone had flipped on a light switch and all of a sudden I could see. I had no idea what had happened to me at that moment, but I knew deep inside myself that the answer to every question I might have could be found in the bible. I now know that at that moment in my living room, a legal spiritual transaction took place. I was transferred from darkness to light. I was born anew spiritually. I was grafted in to God's covenant with man. The price that Christ paid on the Cross was applied to my sin debt and suddenly I was counted as Righteous before God. All of that happened in the blink of an eye and I had no clue about any of it for actually several months as I spent time praying, reading the bible and talking to Christians. Post Reply

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