Matthew 10:28 Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell.
Psalms 37:10, 20 . For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be. ... But the wicked shall perish, ... into smoke shall they consume away.
Malachi 4:1, 3 The day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; ... and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up. ... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet.
Revelation 20:9 . They went up on the breadth of the city, and compassed the camp of the saints about, ... and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Isaiah 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
Those verses sure sound like "cessation of existence".
"AdamW, I AM biased. I oppose the errors of Adventism. You also OPPOSE what you perceive to be error. But hell is eternal torment, and Ellen G. White will never change that.
But SDAs are not heretics like JWs, who deny the deity of Christ. I see that even though you are deceived by your false prophetess founder, you still love the Lord Jesus. AND that my dear brother must remain the center of our fellowship. Our love for Jesus."
You again have proved my point again, I'm a non denominational Sabbatarian. I have never read a single book of EGW, and have no idea what she has ever claimed.
What I do know is... that after spending the first 28 yrs of my life as an atheist....I began to study the scripture. I then tried to find a denomination that taught what i discovered...SDA's taught the same basic principles that I found. They had some items like EGW which I still have my doubts about. But their basic doctrines fit with my study of the Bible and Bible alone.
Again, it has become obvious that you are very judgmental on situations you really have no idea of. EGW isn't my prophetess never did I claim such a thing, that is your personal bigotry rearing it's face against your brethren again.
I tried to be gentle before, letting you know that you were about to "assume" a whole lotta' stuff that was false.
But, you didn't take the hint..instead you showed your true bigotry which has to do with tens of millions of Christians. Good job.
Are the sinners that have died burning in hell right now, or do the receive their judgment/punishment when Jesus returns? 2 Peter 2:9, Matt. 13:40-42, John 5:28, 29, Job 21:30, 32, Mal. 4:1, 3
Do sinners receive immortality? Eze. 18:4, Rom. 6:22-23
Do we have immortality now or are we changed when Jesus returns? 1 Cor. 15:51-53
Are there any verses in the bible that say we have an immortal soul or immortality in any form before heaven? 1 Tim. 6:16
What is the biblical definition of death? Ecc. 9:5, 6, 10
Nobody finds it suspicious about these ideas of the saved/sinners going directly to their rewards/punishments after death, even though the bible is very clear that the judgment does not happen until after the return of Jesus? Or the idea that Satan was a goat man with a pitchfork for the last 1400 years? Or that this idea of an immortal soul and an eternal after-life for everyone was introduce by Greek philosophers before the birth of Jesus? And the biggest question of all...why would someone want to believe this about God?? It's directly against His character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades
I believe we when we die we rest in the grave until Jesus returns. Then the saved go on to immortality and the wicked are cast into the lake of fire, burned to ashes, and destroyed. One figurative parable of Jesus does not remove the rest of the bible.
Lu 16:19 � There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man�s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham�s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father�s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
1 � Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
I don't know if this is the account you where speaking of Mark, but if you go back to verses 19 and 20 you will see the word certain which translates one, someone or in otherwords a specific person, one can learn volumes from this passage if they will just meditate on it and allow the Spirit to show them.
Mark it would also seem by your response, that maybe there is not a knowing of man's true make up, Spirit, Soul and Body.
God is a spirit and we are created in his image and likeness.
There is a verse that also denotes the three components:
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Man's Spirit goes to be with the lord and the body is what goes into the ground if buried.
I believe we have a body and soul and spirit. I just don't believe a soul is immortal or somehow a conscious entity apart from the body. A dead person doesn't have thoughts or feelings until the resurrection. Nothing is immortal except God. Even before the fall, when humans were perfect, they did not have immortality of any kind. They had to eat from the tree of life. God kicked humans out so they would NOT eat of the tree and become immortal.
PJ are you inturpreting scriptures!!! I thought explaining scriptures and inturperting it was againt your religion! Well now that you are backslidding you could answer the many questions people have presented to you.
Mark, no where in scripture does it tell us that David is not in heaven, including the passage you gave does not say that David is in hell. There must be clear understanding when reading... and not according to our own thoughts.
I Corinthians chapter 15, answers your question about death and immorality, listen to what it says: For this corruptible (sinful nature) must put on the incorruption(sinless narture), and this mortal(our physical bodies) must put on immortality(spiritual bodies). So when this corruptiable will have put on incorruption and this mortal will have put on immorality, THEN it will be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in Victory.
This is when Jesus conquers death, when we as believrs are with the Lord forever in heaven. Those born in Christ will die no more, this is for believers ONLY!
As for sinners, who die as sinners and do not know the Lord Jesus Christ, they will suffer not only the natural death on earth when a person dies, but they will suffer the ppunishment of a second death in the lake of fire which is hell after they are judge.
Please don't get the two deaths confused.
The death we suffer for our sins here on hearth, means losses, which are the punishments of our sins, separation from Christ, in other words God turns a deaf ear to us, if we don't repent of our sins, because you can't be living in sin in disobedience and still have fellowship with God.
Therefore SIN separates us from God and Christ emotionally, mentall, spiritually, and in some cases sin cause people to die, and p[eole have been killed because of whatever sin they commit (adultery, fornication, robbery, drunkardness, homosexuality, lying ) these are sin that even you know peole whoi have died because they commit such sins, or disobedy the law in some way and death came to them, people have commited certain sin and have died commiting them.
As for immortality: We do not enter heaven in the bodies we know to have now, our bodies will be changed just as Jesus Christ, because we who are Christians in Christ are destined to be COMFORMED to the same image as Christ, that is the goaL of God, our spirits/souls enters into heaven, when we die, we are absenet from the physical body and present with the Lord ( 2 Corinthinas chapters 4-5, PLEASE READ)
When Jesus comes the dead in Christ will rise first and God will breath eternal life back into our bodies only we who love the Lord become immortal, incorruptiable, no longer with a sinful nature to sin no more. Living forever with the Lord.
The sinner will rise for the punishment of their second death to spend eternaity in hell, the spirits and souls will be given back to them to receive the ppunishment the deserve in hell forever burning in torment, because of their disobedience.
It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, its what God has said, and that settles the matter.
My prayer is that you will come to an understanding of all of this, this is how many people will be overcome by the teachings of those who teach another goepel that makes them feel good and comfortable. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not a feel good gospel, it is a gospel for correction, rebuke, reproof, instruction, and eternal salvation and this is the promise. Anything that is not of Christ, it is anti-christ, and many will be lost when the real day of the Lord comes forth in its fullness, because ofn unbelief ig the real gospel of Jesus..
So I pray you will come into a clear undersatnding of God's word so that you will not be decieved with another gospel.This is the best I can explain it all to you, without going deeper which will caue you even more confusion, because you must undersatnd the first part first.:hearts:
Adam continues his bigotry and attacks against ME. Boo hoo.
I will meanwhile refrain from personal attacks him and his bias. Instead I will attack the errors of the denomination that he says he agrees with.
The PHYSICAL death of Jesus satisfied the wrath of God against sin. Jesus did not "cease to exist." Jesus did not die "spiritual." In fact it was through the ETERNAL Spirit that He offered himself without spot to God.
I think Adam believes this since He says that He is a Christian. This is what Christians believe.
Everybody quoting a looooong list of scriptures, and nobody is explaining how they connect together with the topic in discussion, nor is anyone explaining what the scriputres mean as they relate to Romans chapter 6...uhh.
