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1 Peter 1, Elect; another Calvinist blunder.
Posted : 20 Apr, 2010 11:07 AM

Let's examine 1 Peter 1:1-2. This passage was grossly mistranslated by Calvinists. The Greek says things very differently.



The NKJV, though one of the best translations we have, as with most English translations is very wrong and affects doctrine in this specific passage.



1Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,



2 ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.



In verse two above we see the word "ELECT". When one who is being honest with the grammar of the Greek Texts examines this passage they will find something very different. The word ELECT or CHOICE is not found in verse two of the Greek but in verse ONE. This is very significant.



Young's Literal Translation is much closer to what the Greek says. [ brackets mine]



1Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the CHOICE [Elect] sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,



Notice where the word "choice" or Elect is placed. We are not "Elect" according to God's "foreknowledge". The verse is calling the JEWS of the dispersion as being the ELECT or CHOICE. The Calvinist translators placed the word "ELECT" in the wrong location which is HUGE!!! In the Greek the word "Choice" or Elect" is in verse ONE not two. What an incredible blunder or perhaps incredible bias. Nevertheless it is plain wrong and dramatically affects the meaning of the verse which does not support Calvinism.



2 according to a foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied!



"Foreknowledge" is an interesting word and Calvinists have created their own meaning to this word. They would have us believe that it means that God looked into the future and then choze people. The word actually means "having prior knowledge" as in a relationship. A person or people He knew previously. Since the word "ELECT" or Choice sojourners is clearly referring to the NATION OF ISRAEL makes it very clear that foreknowledge is referring to ISRAEL and cannot refer in any way to Gentiles/Christians.



Let's continue with the last phrase of verse 2.



" Grace to you and peace be multiplied!"



This can be correctly placed in the beginning of verse 2 to make it more clear even though it gives the same affect where it is.



2 Grace to you and peace be multiplied according to a foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:



You can cross reference Deut 7:6-11 with the above especially 6-7.



Deu 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God HAS CHOOZEN you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.



7 The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples;



8 but because the LORD loves you, and because He would keep the oath which He swore to your fathers, the LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

9 "Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

10 and He repays those who hate Him to their face, to destroy them. He will not be slack with him who hates Him; He will repay him to his face.

11 Therefore you shall keep the commandment, the statutes, and the judgments which I command you today, to observe them.



When we examine Romans 8:28,29 & 30 we see the same thing concerning "foreknowledge".



Unfortunately most Calvinists are so bias they will not accept this simple truth.



When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either no longer be mistaken or he will cease to be honest.



In Christ,

Walter

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1 Peter 1, Elect; another Calvinist blunder.
Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 03:51 PM

If one is saved they are no longer a sinner!!

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 04:26 PM

@PhilipJohn

I believe that the precious blood of Jesus Christ was also shed for my deep sins.

However I will only be saved on the day that I am called before Him and Christ�s pure robe will be (God willing) put upon my nakedness.

As long as I am in the flesh, I am nothing but a sinner and the fact that I am a believer does not change my sinning status

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:11 PM

You can believe as you wish by the way, that is a doctrine of demons, just thought I would tell you, as you ask for example.

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1 Peter 1, Elect; another Calvinist blunder.
Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:18 PM

@PhilipJohn

You have not understood one word I said.

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:30 PM

I heard exactly what you said. but what you said is not scripture

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:34 PM

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. It also works in reverse, wrong thinking will affect right believing.

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:37 PM

@PhillipJohn:

You say, if one is saved one is no longer a sinner, but Paul writes in Romans 7:19:

For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do- this I keep on doing.



So is Paul not saved as he does eveil things? Or are the evil things the saved do not considered sins?

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 05:41 PM

Wrong thinking affects right believing? So we can do all to destroy God's work of salvation by just thinking wrong? Wow, this will really lead people back to the fears of the middle ages of not being saved unless they do this and that the pope commands. Just that it is today not the pope who commands, but maybe some teleevangelist...



I wonder if you don't give man too much power here, and God too less. You seem to base all on the ability of man to understand the bible. I think this is rather nbiblical, as salvation does not depend on the bible, but on Christ's crucifiction.



God bless you

De Benny

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 06:13 PM

@PhilipJohn

Read my lips: you have not understood one word I said.



I have been wondering lately why you have such a compulsive need to demonize everything and everybody around you. Every post is about demonizing. If you cannot find it straight away in what people say, you go on and on, questioning them until you finally can demonize that person�s statements, beliefs or opinions.



It took me a while to figure out why yo do this but now I know.



Ooh and it is NOT out of love.

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Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 06:26 PM

Not at all, love is protective, and it is not love to believe anything you hear.



You and I are accountable for every thing we say/



I will never forget praying a man one day pondering the whole situation, his lifestyle, when the lord said to me I hold the church accountable for Him, speaking of the I am a sinner lie, I am not saying if one is not born again, yes that person is a sinner.



If you have acceppted Jesus, you are a new creation.



2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.





By the way I do not demonize anything that is Satan's work, but I sure enjoy exposing him.



2nd Cor 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.



Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

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