Author	Thread: E.G. White - Failed Prophecies
Admin	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 17 Apr, 2010 11:53 AM Ellen G. White is no more a prophetess than Barack Obama is a Rocket Scientist. http://www.bible.ca/7-prophecy-blunders.htm To be a prophet or prophetess the person needs to be correct 100% of the time. If they are correct 99.9% of the time they have failed the test of a prophet. Yet the SDA's continue in their deception and walk in denial to the truth. You can show them point blank White's false teachings and failed prophecies and they still continue in their deception. That's how deception works because the person who is deceived doesn't even know it. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 19 Apr, 2010 06:01 PM Paul says we prophesy in part...because we can't see the big picture like God can. He knew the Ninevites would repent but He had Jonah tell them they were all going to die. The prophecy didn't come true, Nineveh was not destroyed and nobody killed Jonah. I still would like to see your verse that says all prophecies have to come true for a person to be considered a prophet. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 19 Apr, 2010 06:56 PM ...that prophet shall die... What part of "that prophet shall die" do you not understand? You are takeing the Jonah story way out of context to support your argument and it is a very weak support at that. Jonah said if they did not repent they would be destroyed and they did repent God held off His judgement on them because Ninivah was destroyed 70 yrs later when a new generation was raised up and turned from God. And the main point of the Jonah story was not about Neniavh repenting. Also you are taking the 1 Corinthians 13 verse out of context as well again you are missing the focus of the chapter Paul was trying to stress. And I am sure we will never see eye to eye on this text so that is all I have to say about that. 2 Peter 1:21, "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God I think SHE is disqualifed if for no other reason. I am also sure we have radical understanding of what prophecy is today and I dont care to get into that argument. But if someone claims they are getting a prophtic word from God and they are wrong I will chalk them up as a false prophet and disregard every word out of their mouth. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 20 Apr, 2010 12:55 PM Yeahaha....but...maybe you're wrong...thats kinda my point. She agrees with my view of the bible perfectly:goofball:. She only disagrees with your belief. Not mine. Everything I believe is from the bible, supported by scripture...more scripture than you have in my opinion...but...I know I might be wrong, even though I HAVE to believe what I believe to be the truth. You give no quarter for accidental human error...but you don't look in the mirror. I think I know what that makes you...but I'm trying not to call people names anymore...feel free to use your imagination:laugh:. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 20 Apr, 2010 10:16 PM Getting testy are we? Are we committing murder in our heart? Shame on you! If we are going by who we agree with I got centuries of theologians I agree with. Your church started 150 yrs ago my church many, many centuries ago. Bible says the preacher should be the husband of one wife I bet she made a great husband. Man will always fail but God and His Word never fails and if He raises up for Himself a prophet the ONLY way we know that prophet is from God is he will never be wrong. If we gave a quarter for human error then Mohammad could be trusted a long with millions of others through out history like Joseph Smith Mormons, Charles Taze Russell Jehovah's Witnesses. But hey I could be wrong...but on this I am not and the Bible is my authority. She may have your same views good for you and her but she was not a prophet from God that I am sure of. OK I have had enough of this thread going no where. We would butt heads forever. I don't mean to offend or upset you but we have a radically different hermeneutic principles to interpreting scriptures and you have no idea how much Bible study I do or have done and am doing and that means nothing to you cause you and I don't care as I am sure you feel the same. And if it makes ya feel better I am a big boy and names do not bother me. I actually find them amusing so flatter yourself if you wish. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 12:57 PM :ROFL: "I could be wrong, but I'm not" Exactly:rolleyes:. I would probably have a heart attack if I ever heard a Baptist/Calvinist truly admit that they could be wrong. I wasn't getting testy, and Jesus called lots of people the name I was thinking of. I'm just trying to get you to see what you're doing. Anyway...Balaam, Jonah, and Elijah are examples of prophets of God who weren't perfect or right all the time. Every word that came out of their mouth was not a prophecy. The prophets were human just like us. There are thousands of denominations that you must believe are misinterpreting the bible....but not you. There's no way. You guys are super-Christians. Invulnerable to error apparently. And besides, you have 2,000 years of old guys. That must mean you're %100 right. Problem is...Catholics have more old guys...and you believe they're wrong. Hmm...oh well...anyway, you're right...no point in talking about it. I will step aside in the face of your mighty perfection.:rolleyes: :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 21 Apr, 2010 08:03 PM DontHitThatMark I've been reading a few of the posts and I should tell you that DarrellO is correct in what he is saying to you. Try and understand that even though there is mercy with God, at the same time there is judgment and he doesn't take kindly to anyone perverting or misusing his word. He's very strict on this issue, remember Ananias and Sapphira? Ananias was struck dead. Acts 5:5 Is God serious? He is very serious and people need to come to terms with that. Don't be deceived, God is not mocked. Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. 23:33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD. 23:34 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house. Ezekial 13:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 13:2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 13:4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 13:6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 22 Apr, 2010 08:30 AM Sorry...but I still don't think you guys understand what I'm saying. I'm saying...that every word that comes out of a "prophets mouth" is not always prophecy...nor does Ellen White say "He saith..." before everything shes says. God used Balaam as a prophet. Every word that came out of his mouth was definitely NOT a prophecy. Do prophets talk about normal things or is it always prophecy 24/7? Are they perfect and prophesying all the time in normal conversation? Was Jonah? Was Balaam? Was Elijah? Anyway...the health principles Ellen White talked about were not prophecy, even though she did prophesy that in the future, animal products would become unfit for food because of rampant disease...tell me that one isn't coming true...but the future "prophecies" that people seem to have a problem with haven't happened yet...and you don't like them because they disagree with your apparently infallible view of the bible. All I can say is, wait and see. If she turns out to be a false prophet, I'll be the first to walk away in shame and humble repentance. Just remember, prophets don't speak prophecy every time they open their mouth...nor are they perfect holy beings...Balaam is a great example of what I'm trying to say. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 23 Apr, 2010 07:44 PM DontHitThatMark I didn't say that a prophet prophecies 24/7. Yet when they do it is 100% right and what they teach about scripture is correct also. Read EG Whites stuff and you'll find that much of it doesn't even line up with scripture. It's also known that much of her writings actually came from William Miller. Even though she might have some things right about dietary things, there is much she is wrong on and also has had failed prophecies. Those failed prophecies make her a false prophet. Plain and simple. Can false prophets be right sometimes? Sure they can, but if they have one failed prophecy then they are not a prophet. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 24 Apr, 2010 11:37 AM I am an Adventist...and I can prove all my beliefs with lots of scripture. You missed this debate already. If you want to do it again I'd be happy too. What Ellen White says lines up with what I believe to be the truth. I'm sorry if you don't see it the same way, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that your "truth" is "better". Just like I'd have a hard time convincing you, which is the point I'm trying to make. Instead of holding your beliefs over my head like you know all truth...try witnessing about what you believe to be the truth. Sharing how your beliefs impact your life. Telling me your point of view, instead of cutting down mine. I'm sorry, but I know you are not perfect. I know I am not perfect. I know I might not have all truth, and I know you might not either. I have to believe what I see in God's word or I'm going against my conscience. I won't tell you I know I'm right. I'll tell you I hope I'm right, or I believe I'm right. Why? Because I'm not perfect and I don't know for sure. It kinda annoys me when people insinuate that they are somehow more perfect or that they are somehow infallible. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	E.G. White - Failed Prophecies Posted : 26 Apr, 2010 07:38 PM DontHitThatMark I haven't missed any debate, I started the thread and I can tell you that you've missed it. So I want to advise you to read things closer before you enter a debate. You have been so wrong and you can't even see it. You have two people telling you the same thing and you argue against that. Allow me to me share just a portion of what she wrote and then compare it with the Bible. Ellen White: It is a sin to be sick; for all sickness is the result of transgression. Health Reformer, Aug. 1, 1866 Bible: So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. Job 2:7 I can show you much more so don't sit there and tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know a lie when I see it and I know when someone is trying to debate an issue they are wrong on. So stop trying to shove EG White down people's throats and thinking they are going to believe a lie because some of us actually know the truth and have brains to think with. Post Reply

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