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Is it a sin to observe law?
Posted : 24 Feb, 2010 09:11 PM

God only gives us one law, Mosaic Law:

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."John 1:17.

and he want us to follow it as it is said

"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4. Salvation does not come by observing the law. It comes after salvation and as an urge of the Holy Spirit.

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Posted : 26 Feb, 2010 07:12 PM

dear folks,,, you may find this an interisting read.. not my own words .. the bibles and then my bible study guide..

ole cattle



colossians 2:14-16 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,



romans 13:8-10 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.



romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.





these are not my own words below here but thought this study might be helpful to some. its a little long but... hehe



breakdown of colossians 2:13-16 from my bible study guide..

Verses 13-15



The apostle here represents the privileges we Christians have above the Jews, which are very great.



I. Christ's death is our life: And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, v. 13. A state of sin is a state of spiritual death. Those who are in sin are dead in sin. As the death of the body consists in its separation from the soul, so the death of the soul consists in its separation from God and the divine favour. As the death of the body is the corruption and putrefaction of it, so sin is the corruption or depravation of the soul. As a man who is dead is unable to help himself by any power of his own, so an habitual sinner is morally impotent: though he has a natural power, or the power of a reasonable creature, he has not a spiritual power, till he has the divine life or a renewed nature.



It is principally to be understood of the Gentile world, who lay in wickedness. They were dead in the uncircumcision of their flesh, being aliens to the covenant of promise, and without God in the world, Eph. 2:11, 12. By reason of their uncircumcision they were dead in their sins. It may be understood of the spiritual uncircumcision or corruption of nature; and so it shows that we are dead in law, and dead in state. Dead in law, as a condemned malefactor is called a dead man because he is under a sentence of death; so sinners by the guilt of sin are under the sentence of the law and condemned already, Jn. 3:18.



And dead in state, by reason of the uncircumcision of our flesh. An unsanctified heart is called an uncircumcised heart: this is our state. Now through Christ we, who were dead in sins, are quickened; that is, effectual provision is made for taking away the guilt of sin, and breaking the power and dominion of it. Quickened together with him-by virtue of our union to him, and in conformity to him. Christ's death was the death of our sins; Christ's resurrection is the quickening of our souls.



II. Through him we have the remission of sin: Having forgiven you all trespasses. This is our quickening. The pardon of the crime is the life of the criminal: and this is owing to the resurrection of Christ, as well as his death; for, as he died for our sins, so he rose again for our justification, Rom. 4:25.



III. Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood, 1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal. 3:13.



He cancelled the obligation for all who repent and believe. "Upon me be the curse, my father.'' He vacated and disannulled the judgment which was against us. When he was nailed to the cross, the curse was as it were nailed to the cross. And our indwelling corruption is crucified with Christ, and by virtue of his cross. When we remember the dying of the Lord Jesus, and see him nailed to the cross, we should see the hand-writing against us taken out of the way. Or rather,



2. It must be understood of the ceremonial law, the hand-writing of ordinances, the ceremonial institutions or the law of commandments contained in ordinances (Eph. 2:15), which was a yoke to the Jews and a partition-wall to the Gentiles. The Lord Jesus took it out of the way, nailed it to his cross; that is, disannulled the obligation of it, that all might see and be satisfied that it was no more binding. When the substance came, the shadows fled away. It is abolished (2 Co. 3:13), and that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away, Heb. 8:13. The expressions are in allusion to the ancient methods of cancelling a bond, either by crossing the writing or striking it through with a nail.



IV. He has obtained a glorious victory for us over the powers of darkness: And, having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it, v. 15. As the curse of the law was against us, so the power of Satan was against us. He treated with God as the Judge, and redeemed us out of the hands of his justice by a price; but out of the hands of Satan the executioner he redeemed us by power and with a high hand. He led captivity captive. The devil and all the powers of hell were conquered and disarmed by the dying Redeemer. The first promise pointed at this; the bruising of the heel of Christ in his sufferings was the breaking of the serpent's head, Gen. 3:15.



The expressions are lofty and magnificent: let us turn aside and see this great sight. The Redeemer conquered by dying. See his crown of thorns turned into a crown of laurels. He spoiled them, broke the devil's power, and conquered and disabled him, and made a show of them openly-exposed them to public shame, and made a show of them to angels and men. Never had the devil's kingdom such a mortal blow given to it as was given by the Lord Jesus. He tied them to his chariot-wheels, and rode forth conquering and to conquer-alluding to the custom of a general's triumph, who returned victorious.-Triumphing over them in it; that is, either in his cross and by his death; or, as some read it, in himself, by his own power; for he trod the wine-press alone, and of the people there was none with him.

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2010 02:44 AM

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, having been engraved in letters in stone was with glory (so that the sons of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses because of the glory of his face), which was being done away;

2Co 3:8 shall not the ministry of the Spirit be with more glory?

2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation is glorious, much more does the ministry of righteousness exceed in glory.

2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.

2Co 3:11 For if that which has been done away was glorious, much more that which remains is glorious.



Gal 4:21 Tell me, those desiring to be under Law, do you not hear the Law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written: Abraham had two sons, the one out of the slave-woman, and one out of the free woman.

Gal 4:23 But, indeed, he out of the slave-woman has been born according to flesh, and he out of the free woman through the promise;

Gal 4:24 which things are being allegorized; for these are the two covenants, one indeed from Mount Sinai bringing forth to slavery, which is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 For Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in slavery with her children.

Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem from above is free, who is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, "Rejoice, barren one not bearing; break forth and shout, you not travailing; for more are the children of the desolate than she having the husband."

Gal 4:28 But brothers, we, like Isaac, are children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But then even as he born according to flesh persecuted him born according to the Spirit, so it is also now.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave-woman and her son; for in no way shall the son of the slave-woman inherit with the son of the free woman."

Gal 4:31 Then, brothers, we are not children of a slave-woman, but of the free woman.



Be blessed,

Leon

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2010 07:19 AM

dear leon, more good verses..

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daniel12345

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2010 10:19 AM

Dear Leon,



I would like to ask you: What is sin?

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2010 09:10 PM

Sin is knowing to do right and not doing it. Anything you feel guilty about doing is also sin. It is whatever the Holy Spirit convicts you of doing.



Blessings,Leon

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Posted : 27 Feb, 2010 10:44 PM

Quote "Sin is knowing to do right and not doing it. "



How do I know what is "right" or what is "wrong"? If there is a right then there must be a wrong so where did the "right/wrong" come from?

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Posted : 28 Feb, 2010 12:24 AM

Dear Leon,



I want you to tell u a story (maybe true). I think I heard it from a friend or I read somewhere.



There is a student in a theological school who is absent from class. So the teacher summoned him and ask him what happened. The student told the teacher Holy Spirit told him not to come to class. So the teacher can't do anything so pass the case to the headmaster. The next day, the student is kicked out. Reason? Holy Spirit told the headmaster to.



What is right or wrong? Chering ask a good question. How do you know it is the Spirit not your ego? Why the Holy Spirit told me to obey the law?

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Posted : 28 Feb, 2010 03:56 AM

John 10:4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.

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Posted : 28 Feb, 2010 04:06 AM

Hebrews 8: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." 13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Sorry brother, but I know better than it being my ego. I have been chastiser by God plenty of times, it is not something you forget.

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Posted : 28 Feb, 2010 04:26 AM

Hebrews 8: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." 13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Sorry brother, but I know better than it being my ego. I have been chastiser by God plenty of times, it is not something you forget.

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