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Admin	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 31 Oct, 2009 03:34 PM MDR, the chained wife "And the Pharisees came to him tempting him, and saying, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matt.19:3. This question was part of an on going dispute between the Shammaite Rabbis and the Hillelite Rabbis. Jesus rejected what was known as the "Any Cause" divorce advocated by the Hillelite view. And while He rejected the any cause divorce, he did not reject all divorce for any cause. In every passage where Jesus is quoted as saying divorce, He is actually saying put away which is very similar but not exactly the same as the divorce we think of today. He never uses the word for a written divorce certificate which is required for a (lawful) divorce according to the law Ezra 10:3b� Only when they ask about the divorce certificate does He bring up the hardness of heart. Because while many believe that put away and divorce are one and the same thing, (see http://www.christianpoly.org/divorce.php) &*note*, it was still possible for a wife to be put away and not be given a divorce certificate. This woman is called "Agunah" or a chained wife. It is not lawful to put away a wife except for fornication which is also a cause of uncleanness as written Deut. 241. If the husband hates the wife and puts her away he becomes hard hearted and his hatred becomes a snare unto him Mal. 2:16 (DDS). He should give the divorce certificate as the Law stated. That is why it was given in the first place (Because of hard heartedness). Jesus rightly says from the beginning it was not so. God created them as the same flesh and sin had not yet entered their lives. :yay: :yay: The church has failed in its attempt to minister to divorced people making them feel as if they are less sanctified because of divorce. Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 8 Nov, 2009 11:52 AM ANY sex outside of marriage is sin~~it seems that some would try to find a loophole here but it has never changed~Thou shalt not~and if thou does?~then ask forgiveness and go and sin no more. Remarriage is allowed if one spouse broke the vows by treachery and all that that includes which is basically breaking covenant of the vows~~the innocent spouse may remarry~if the guilty one remarries?~then their sin remains until they repent but the will reap what they have sown. :purpleangel: Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 8 Nov, 2009 09:01 PM dear folks, there are some who will argue that adultery can only be done by a married woman.. not by a married man.. because of the word adultery in the hebrew means "ADULTERY" --- na`aph (pronounced: naw-af') in the Hebrew means, "WOMAN that breaketh wedlock". so since it doesnt say man out of wedlock.. they choose to belive that its ok for a man to commit fornication with another whilest married to his wife.as one can also see where back in that time that a man could indeed take more than one wife.. and some will even use this to say that single people can have sex all they want .. cause theyre not committing adultery. . as one can also see where back in that time that a man could indeed take more than one wife.. so that opens the door for alot of men justifyin their actions also tryin to use the bible for justifyin said actions. now lets take a look at summin here... matthew 5:28-29 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. lookin closely at verse 28 in the greek.. take a look at the word look in greek and check to see the reference of the verses it pertains to also.. matt.5:28youll see βλέπω (blepō 991) 4. look [verb] -ed, -eth, -ing to use the eyes, to see, look; used of the act of seeing, even though nothing is seen; to observe accurately with desire; hence, of mental vision; implying more contemplation than ὁράω (horaō 3708). Reference(s) Mat 5:28, Luk 9:62, Joh 13:22, Act 3:4, 2Co 10:7, 2Jo 1:8, Rev 5:3, Rev 5:4 then lets look at woman in greek and the references of verses used in this definition also matt.5:28 γυνή (gunē 1135) 1. woman, women a woman (The Greek translation of the OT for אשה, Gen 2:22,23); used also of a maiden, damsel (The Greek translation of the OT for ערהנ, Est 2:4). Reference(s) Mat 5:28, Mat 9:20, Mat 9:22, Mat 11:11, Mat 13:33, Mat 14:21, Mat 15:22, Mat 15:28, Mat 15:38, Mat 22:27, Mat 26:7, Mat 26:10, Mat 27:55, Mat 28:5, Mar 5:25, Mar 5:33, Mar 7:25, Mar 7:26, Mar 12:22, Mar 14:3, Mar 15:40, Luk 1:42, Luk 4:26, Luk 7:28, Luk 7:37, Luk 7:39, Luk 7:44, Luk 7:44, Luk 7:50, Luk 8:2, Luk 8:43, Luk 8:47, Luk 10:38, Luk 11:27, Luk 13:11, Luk 13:12, Luk 13:21, Luk 15:8, Luk 20:32, Luk 22:57, Luk 23:27, Luk 23:49, Luk 23:55, Luk 24:22, Luk 24:24, Joh 2:4, Joh 4:7, Joh 4:9, Joh 4:9, Joh 4:11, Joh 4:15, Joh 4:17, Joh 4:19, Joh 4:21, Joh 4:25, Joh 4:27, Joh 4:28, Joh 4:39, Joh 4:42, Joh 8:3, Joh 8:4, Joh 8:9, Joh 8:10, Joh 8:10, Joh 16:21, Joh 19:26, Joh 20:13, Joh 20:15, Act 1:14, Act 5:14, Act 8:3, Act 8:12, Act 9:2, Act 13:50, Act 16:13, Act 16:14, Act 17:4, Act 17:12, Act 17:34, Act 22:4, Rom 7:2, 1Co 7:1, 1Co 7:13, 1Co 11:3, 1Co 11:5, 1Co 11:6, 1Co 11:6, 1Co 11:7, 1Co 11:8, 1Co 11:8, 1Co 11:9, 1Co 11:9, 1Co 11:10, 1Co 11:11, 1Co 11:11, 1Co 11:12, 1Co 11:12, 1Co 11:13, 1Co 11:15, 1Co 14:34, 1Co 14:35, Gal 4:4, 1Ti 2:9, 1Ti 2:10, 1Ti 2:11, 1Ti 2:12, 1Ti 2:14, Heb 11:35, 1Pe 3:5, Rev 2:20, Rev 9:8, Rev 12:1, Rev 12:4, Rev 12:6, Rev 12:13, Rev 12:14, Rev 12:15, Rev 12:16, Rev 12:17, Rev 14:4, Rev 17:3, Rev 17:4, Rev 17:6, Rev 17:7, Rev 17:9, Rev 17:18 then lets looks at the word for wife or wives meanind and the referenced verses it pertains to.. youll find not found in matt 5:28 2. wife, wives a woman, one of the female sex; need of a maiden; The Greek translation of the OT for נערה, Est 2:4) and of an adult; also, with a Genitive, or ἔχειν (echein) (to have), or the adjective, ὕπανδρος (hupandros 5220) (under a husband) it implies betrothed, a bride, but not yet married; also used of a married woman, a wife; (so The Greek translation of the OT for שחא, Gen 24:3, etc.) Reference(s) Mat 1:20, Mat 1:24, Mat 5:31, Mat 5:32, Mat 14:3, Mat 18:25, Mat 19:3, Mat 19:5, Mat 19:8, Mat 19:9, Mat 19:10, Mat 22:24, Mat 22:25, Mat 22:28, Mat 27:19, Mar 6:17, Mar 6:18, Mar 10:2, Mar 10:11, Mar 12:19, Mar 12:19, Mar 12:20, Mar 12:23, Mar 12:23, Luk 1:5, Luk 1:13, Luk 1:18, Luk 1:24, Luk 3:19, Luk 8:3, Luk 14:20, Luk 14:26, Luk 16:18, Luk 17:32, Luk 18:29, Luk 20:28, Luk 20:28, Luk 20:29, Luk 20:33, Luk 20:33, Act 5:1, Act 5:2, Act 5:7, Act 18:2, Act 21:5, Act 24:24, 1Co 5:1, 1Co 7:2, 1Co 7:3, 1Co 7:3, 1Co 7:4, 1Co 7:4, 1Co 7:10, 1Co 7:11, 1Co 7:12, 1Co 7:14, 1Co 7:14, 1Co 7:16, 1Co 7:16, 1Co 7:27, 1Co 7:27, 1Co 7:27, 1Co 7:29, 1Co 7:33, 1Co 7:34, 1Co 7:39, 1Co 9:5, Eph 5:22, Eph 5:23, Eph 5:24, Eph 5:25, Eph 5:28, Eph 5:28, Eph 5:31, Eph 5:33, Eph 5:33, Col 3:18, Col 3:19, 1Ti 3:2, 1Ti 3:11, 1Ti 3:12, 1Ti 5:9, Titus 1:6, 1Pe 3:1, 1Pe 3:1, Rev 19:7, Rev 21:9 we can see that woman ,women is the correct translation for the greek meaning of the word woman in the verse matt 5:28 in other words if a man even looks at a woman or women ,not just a married woman or women.. but just a woman or women.. ,,, with lust in his heart then he has indeed committed adultery in his heart with her.. so says JESUS.. now thats a powerful verse there aint it... my goodness menfolks , how many times in our young life and our older lives have we committed adultery in our hearts? how many times have you looked at a woman or women and gone hmmm hmmm hmmm.. ? guilty now ifn we can just look at her with lust and be guilty of adultery , then wouldnt it be simple to figure that if we actually did said actions with her then that would be adultery of the heart and body.. JESUS also says inverse 29 that If your right eye causes you to sin, therefore we can realize that it is indeed sin.. 1 corinthians 6:15-20 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For "the two," He says, "shall become one flesh." 17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's. even the proverbs and paul tells us to stay away from the harlot.. so when you say that a married man bein with a harlot was ok and not adultery.. i believe it was adultery and still is.. and even if by some chance im wrong here about it bein adultery then its definitely sin.. and should be stayed away from.. or repented of.. ole cattle Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 9 Nov, 2009 09:26 AM I think it's pretty simple...for single people or married people...the plan that God put in place for sex was "One flesh". God only wanted it to happen with one man and one woman for a lifetime. Not a new partner every week. Not by breaking your commitments. Once. One flesh. And you can bring up the old testament guys if you want and say "they had a bunch of wives"...but you have to ask if God condoned it. And I don't think He did. In fact, it was brought about by not trusting God most of the time. Anyway...I'd think it should be obvious that God wanted it to be between two people only. Adam and Eve are good example. The requirements for Elders is another. In order to hold that high position you had to be a "Husband of one wife". And as far as married people go....are you kidding me? There are Christians that think it's "ok" to commit adultery? :boxing::boxing: Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 9 Nov, 2009 01:02 PM Marriage divorce and remarriage MDR is always a heated topic for those affected by it. :boxing: I'm a little surprised this has turned into a major misunderstanding. So to be sure I believe Adultery is wrong and can hurt or kill a marriage. Monogamous marriage is best. True love comes from God to know God is to know love. Divorce is caused by continual unrepentant self centerdness, aka hard hardheartedness. And My point here is that while they are very similar, Divorce and put away are different words and that adultery and fornication are different words. All adultery falls into the larger category of fornication and all divorce must include physical separation, aka put away, in addition to being given a written divorce. I'm not justifying fornication or adultery. I'm just pointing out how the bible uses these words. I am not for Islam but the following quote is from compares the Bible and Koran on adultery. "Adultery is considered a sin in all religions. The Bible decrees the death sentence for both the adulterer and the adulteress (Lev. 20:10) ...The Bible only considers the extramarital affair of a married woman as adultery (Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22, Proverbs 6:20-7:27). "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel" (Deut. 22:22). "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death" (Lev. 20:10). According to the Biblical definition, if a married man sleeps with an unmarried woman, this is not considered a crime at all. The married man who has extramarital affairs with unmarried women is not an adulterer and the unmarried women involved with him are not adulteresses. The crime of adultery is committed only when a man, whether married or single, sleeps with a married woman. In this case the man is considered adulterer, even if he is not married, and the woman is considered adulteress. In short, adultery is any illicit sexual intercourse involving a married woman. The extramarital affair of a married man is not per se a crime in the Bible. Why is the dual moral standard? According to Encyclopaedia Judaica, the wife was considered to be the husband's possession and adultery constituted a violation of the husband's exclusive right to her; the wife as the husband's possession had no such right to him. 15 That is, if a man had sexual intercourse with a married woman, he would be violating the property of another man and, thus, he should be punished. To the present day in Israel, if a married man indulges in an extramarital affair with an unmarried woman, his children by that woman are considered legitimate. But, if a married woman has an affair with another man, whether married or not married, her children by that man are not only illegitimate but they are considered illegitimate and are forbidden to marry any other Jews except converts and other illegitimate offspring. This ban is handed down to the children's descendants for 10 generations until the taint of adultery is presumably weakened." By today's standards a married man who visits a prostitute is committing adultery. But prostitution falls into the larger category of fornication, which also includes adultery. Fornication is incest, bestiality, prostitution, homosexuality and adultery. And Fornicators have no place in God's kingdom. A question was asked about premarital sex. An example is given in Exodus 22:16-18. 16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins." This account of seduction does not impose a death penalty as do all other forms of fornication? These laws were given as instruction and/or admonitions. They are examples for us, 1 Corinthians 10:11. Dave :rocknroll: myspace.com/daves7days_in_a_cave Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 17 Nov, 2009 08:40 AM Dave, That is an interesting perspective. How would you reconcile this passage then? 1Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. NKJV Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 17 Nov, 2009 05:29 PM Good verse Walter~~I have met way too many men and women that try REALLY hard to justify messing around before marriage, whether it be touching or intercourse~it's just plain sin until that contract is signed. Sheeples need Jesus and to listen to HIS voice. :rolleyes: Post Reply
rickc View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 06:14 PM (just jumping right in in here) Joey wrote: "Good verse Walter~~ [that is, I Cor 7:1] I have met way too many men and women that try REALLY hard to justify messing around before marriage, whether it be touching or intercourse~it's just plain sin until that contract is signed." Comments (and probably somewhat off-topic) I considered marriage, quite some time ago, with my *last Christian girlfirend*. W/r/t dating sites -- I *skip* profiles that have stuff like "I like to kiss and cuddle by the fire." First, that "references" past men (and would refer to past women on men's profiles too). I've never been engaged. If I ever will be, I will consider it in a biblical sense of meaning -- that of being "betrothed" (that is, already *IN* marriage/ the marriage covenant). I do not plan on "making out" -- (and I hope this expression is appropriate, used for descriptive purposes only) with my future wife until after we're fully married (post, we have The Wedding Rings on, after the "I do's"). I'm assuming there will be some form of physical contact before The Ceremony. However, I plan to limit it strictly. My future wife, should I get one(?) will see things how I do. So, "What Paul said." Thanks! Post Reply
MNRay49 View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 6 Dec, 2009 06:57 PM Interesting topic. It's ironic because I met with my pastor last week as I was considering remarriage after having been divorced many years. We went through the Scriptures, discussed some things, and he gave me some things concerning this subject on both sides. But from my understanding, Luke 16:18 seems pretty clear, as in, no I can't as long as my ex is living. And even if I were free and clear I still can't marry a woman who is divorced. Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 11 Jul, 2010 04:19 PM Are you sure the Bible say that she should be dead in her body ? For me can the scripture saying that you can't re-marry as long there is any hope for your ex-wife to repent and come back to God. But if she is dead in her spirit and will never repent then you can marry. It's all about if you read the Bible in your flesh or in your spirit. For me is it always in the spirit as God tell us from the start that He IS a spirit and then He also always talk to our spirit from the spirit He is. Post Reply

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