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Moonlight7

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Posted : 21 Dec, 2020 03:11 PM

If a Christian sins, he or she asks God for forgiveness of that sin.



The Holy Spirit will convict you, if you are saved.



If you have no convictions, are you truly a Believer?

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Teddyhug^

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Posted : 24 Dec, 2020 08:24 PM

Quiz claims the 'once saved always saved' doctrine is clearly taught in John chapter 10. Nothing could be further from the truth as the Messiah teaches His followers hear His voice and for that to happen followers would need to CHOOSE to do so! Quiz teaches robotism and 'sheep' can never get lost again, yet the Bible has many examples of people turning from following Him! In the very start in verse 1, the Messiah says - “he that entereth NOT by the door (Messiah IS THE DOOR) into the sheepfold (ALL sheep/persons make daily choices) but climbeth up (man makes his own rules) some other way, the same is a thief and a robber! So there you go, do things your own way outside the LAWS of YHWH and you become a sinner! I could give you other examples from that chapter like verses 37 and 38 where the Messiah teaches that TRUE believers KNOW that WORKS always follow FAITHFULNESS in order to PROVE your FAITH! FAITH is what saves us!



Moonlight is correct, Quiz teaches the false doctrine of O.S.A.S. NOT found in that chapter 10 of John or the entire Bible for that matter! Moon is correct again that Hebrews chapter 6, focusing in on verse 15 that says we must 'patiently endure' unto the end of our lives 'to obtain the promise' of which of course is eternal life! Moon correctly gives another example in chapter 5 verse 14 that we MUST 'exercise (our FAITH) to discern both good and evil' on a DAILY basis!



Quiz is a false teacher! So Quiz takes Scripture out of context, not Moon! Quiz has pets sins he does weekly of which he has admitted too and its no wonder then he believes in O.S.A.S. Because he thinks he has a license to sin! Quiz accuses ADAM of serving his sinful nature with no evidence to show but ONLY judges him, yet Quiz proves beyond a doubt he does NOT understand ENTIRE Bible context on a subject like Moon obviously does here!

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Posted : 24 Dec, 2020 08:42 PM

Just like Moon says 'we are not under the Law but under grace' and so true because 'grace' is also by His POWER that we can even keep His LAW to begin with BY FAITH! As to not make 'grace' a disgrace/powerless! So we are not under the LAW, its penalty of death when we are NOT breaking it! The LAW only condemns a sinner to death, never saves them!



Quiz corruptly thinks 'by saving them thru faith in His Son, without the law' as if you would even know what's sin was without the LAW??? Crazy Quiz does not know that 'without the law' then there would be no sin, then there is no need to have 'faith in His Son' for payment of sin/death on the pole/tree because according to Quiz we are 'without the LAW' in Quizes NON BELIEVING MIND???

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Posted : 25 Dec, 2020 07:36 AM

Hugs, since you did not want to post John 10 verses 38 - 39, i thought i would post those along with the context that shows you do not understand the Scriptures.

Hugs, you always want to do something to be saved, instead of just trusting Messiah to save you, is that not ANOTHER Gospel, which is not another.

Now John 10 verses 22 - 39

22 At that time the Feast of Dedicationb took place in Jerusalem. It was winter,

23 and Jesus was walking in the temple courtsc in Solomon’s Colonnade.

24 So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 “I already told you,” Jesus replied, “but you did not believe. The works I do in My Father’s name testify on My behalf.

26 But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe.

27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.

28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.

32 But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”

33 “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

34 Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

36 then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

37 If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me.

38 But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.”

39 At this, they tried again to seize Him, but He escaped their grasp.



Hugs, if you are not trusting Messiah, and Messiah alone to save you, then you are doomed.

Obeying the law, and good works cannot save anyone.

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Posted : 25 Dec, 2020 08:00 AM

Posted by hugs:

Your sooo right Moon, that should a Christian EVER chose to sin again, to go back to the flesh and deny the Set apart Holy Spirit from the Father that can keep them from 'backsliding' as you correctly say, then all they have to do is repent and be saved from those new sins they committed!







YHWH the Father will always CONVICT a TRUE believer as you say Moon of their sins should they choose to become an unbeliever again. The problem with papa David and son Quiz is they have a pet sin they still want to commit on a daily basis and therefore try to twist the Bible meaning into saying that 'no one is able to take a believer from Him' (including the person themselves) except how soon they forget that the Christian is still a FREE WILL creature and can change their mind at any time and become an unbeliever again!



Quiznos:

The sad state of what hugs believes, as he believes a person needs to be forgiven of NEW sins.

Hugs must believe that the death of Messiah was only good for sins up until the person believes, then after the person believes they will need someone else to take their sins to be judged, as the blood of the lamb of GOD Almighty cannot make atonement for new sins.

With hugs understanding of salvation,The personloses salvation, becomes an unbeliever, then needs to be saved AGAIN, everytime they sin.

Hmmm, Paul writes that is not the Gospel, and warns those proclaiming anothing.

Galatians 1 verses 3 - 9

3 Grace be with you and peace from God The Father and from Our Lord Yeshua The Messiah,

4 He who gave himself for the sake of our sins to set us free from this evil world, according to the will of God Our Father,

5 To whom be glory to the eternity of eternities. Amen.

6 I marvel how quickly you have been turned away from The Messiah, he who called you by his grace, unto another gospel

7 Which does not exist, but there are some who trouble you and wish to change The Gospel of The Messiah. 8 But even if we or an Angel from Heaven should evangelize you outside of that which we have evangelized you, we or he would be damned;

9 Just as I said to you from the first and now again I say to you, that if anyone evangelizes you outside of what you have received, he shall be damned.



Hugs, repent believe the Gospel.

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Posted : 25 Dec, 2020 08:03 AM

Hmmm, Paul writes that is not the Gospel, and warns those proclaiming something that is not the Gospel.

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