I was just reading Psalm 104:30 and it hit me again.
The other day I posted about Genesis being the end from the beginning and how Jerusalem was desolate and laid waste much like Genesis was without form and void. I made the connection and so too tonight in Psalms 104:29.
"Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou>>> takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.<<<<
30 Thou>>> sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.<<<< The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD >>>shall rejoice in his works<<<". (It was good)
You may ask what that has to do with Genesis ..
The verse speaks of destruction , then the Spirit of God creating them ...
In Genesis the Spirit hovers over the waters...
I always wondered WHY..
In the end of the age ...
As sea represents PEOPLE. So his Spirit in Genesis hovers over the people/water making them new with the Holy Ghost.
The Lord, Yahuwah, sends forth the Holy Spirit to the people ...they are his City/Church/ the New Jerusalem.
Then if you go to Isaiah 65, it speaks of making a new heaven and new earth, and"Behold I created Jerusalem a rejoicing" which mirrors Revelation. A full circle. The end from the beginning.
He created earth and the heavens in Genesis and everything in it.
I can imagine Our Creator smiling as he made the earth seeing history all played out before any person was ever made. Now I understand WHY he told Adam and Eve to >>replenish<< the earth...there was no Pre-Adamite race or world. (AKJV & standard KJV of Genesis 1:28 has replenish).
It speaks of the former not being remembered in Isaiah 65
66 picks up with the birth of the Church .
Isaiah 49:16 speaks of not forgetting them and how they are " inscribed in the palms of His hands" and saying "How can a woman forget her nursing child."
Isaiah 60 speaks of darkness , then the light and the Glory of the Lord upon you.
Its all there in Genesis.
ALL of it.
ALL fulfilled before it began as Christ was slain before the foundations were laid.
Chuckk, like all other heretical devotees quotes only like minded heretics and those who agree.
Hence: Dr. Gerald Schroeder’s, Age of the Universe
I think the philosophy department of almost any college would be interested in such a fallacy riddled article to use as an exercise assignment for beginning logic students.
Schroeder’s approach is best described as a fence straddler. He has one foot planted in the Torah and the other distantly planted in science.
But his proverbial feet are proverbially painfully spread so far apart he must be embarrassed by his ripping trousers. I feel for his colleagues who must confess he’s one of them.
Before I go on about Schroeder, I would recommend an excellent comprehensive text that is not against science but covers and challenges some of the limitations and logic of science by Karl Popper. Definitely has stood strong against the test of time and criticism
Please check out:
Conjectures and Refutations: The Growth of Scientific Knowledge
Gerald Schroeder and his New Variation on the “Day-Age” Theory: Part 1
on August 1, 2000
Several months ago, Dr. Gerald Schroeder was a two-time guest on the Zola Levitt TV program. The titles of the programs were: “In the Beginning” and “The Days of Creation.” Because we received a number of inquiries about these programs, AiG obtained and viewed the videos.
Dr. Schroeder is a physicist from MIT (the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the U.S.) who has resided in Israel for the past twenty years. Although he claims to believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis, including six literal twenty-four hour days, it actually appears that his theory is nothing more than a new variation on the old “day-age” theory. That is because, like the older “day-age” theories, his theory asserts that the world really is the same age as evolutionists claim it is (currently perhaps 15 billion years old), but that we can arbitrarily divide that period into six age-long periods of time which he chooses to call “days.” Like more recent proponents of the “day-age” theory, he believes that God used the big bang, and that it started the “first day.”
According to Dr. Schroeder, since the universe started in such a very tiny volume, the first twenty-four hour day was a time period of 8 billion years. As the universe continued to expand, the second day was only 4 billion years, the third day was 2 billion years, the fourth day was 1 billion years, the fifth day was 1/2 billion years and the sixth day was 1/4 billion years for a grand total of 15 3/4 billion years. He does not rest this choice of variable “day” lengths on any discernible scientific reasoning, nor does he offer any biblical basis for such a division. We are merely supposed to accept his re-definition of the word “day” and ignore all the biblical evidence (such as Genesis 1:5 and Exodus 20:8–11) that each creation day was essentially the same length of time as an ordinary day of the week today.
Moreover, Dr. Schroeder’s arbitrary numbers are not consistent with each other. He chooses to divide the 15 billion years by the degree of expansion of the universe, which he defines as a million million (1,000,000,000,000), and then multiplying that by 365 for the number of days in a year. He states that the answer is approximately 6, proving his theory. However, the actual answer is 5.475, meaning that we have not yet completed the sixth day. Therefore, according to his theory, animals and humans should not be around.
Dr. Schroeder continues by saying that because we are in the “sixth day” of creation, the Sabbath Day, the seventh day of rest, has not yet occurred. However, Genesis 2:1–2 clearly states that God “ended his work”, “he rested”, and “he blessed it and sanctified it because in it he rested.” All of these statements are made in the past tense. How could this be if we are still in the sixth day as Dr. Schroeder claims?
SINCE DR. SCHROEDER OFFERS NO DETAILS SUPPORTING HIS ALLEGED HEBREW WORD RELATIONSHIPS, READERS SHOULD NOT TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY ON THIS POINT.
Dr. Schroeder also states that the basic Hebrew root word for “evening” is “chaos” and the basic Hebrew root word for “morning” is “order.” He cites no Hebrew scholar supporting his view, which appears to many scholars to be without foundation. The Hebrew word for “evening” is ('ereb); it appears to have no relation to the word most scholars would expect for “chaos” (tohu). Similarly, the word for “morning” (boqer) has no discernible connection to the word we would expect for “order” (seder). Since Dr. Schroeder offers no details supporting his alleged Hebrew word relationships, readers should not take him seriously on this point. (In any case, even if there were a root word relationship, there are logical fallacies and dangers involved in using word roots to interpret the Bible, which have led people astray on many issues.)
Proceeding with this argument nonetheless, Dr. Schroeder asserts that this shows the universe started with the chaos of the big bang and was later ordered by God. Does this then mean that each “day” started with chaos and ended with order? Did things go through a six “day” cycle of chaos-to-order-to-chaos-to-order?
In Dr. Schroeder’s creation scenario, the sun was actually created on Day Two. However, since the atmosphere was merely translucent, it could not be visibly discerned from the earth until the atmosphere became transparent on Day Four. In contrast, Genesis 1:14–19 clearly states that the sun and moon were made on Day Four and placed in the firmament. This is another standard claim of the old “day-age” theory, a claim which evaporates upon examination of the passages involved. For example, the biblical account does not use the Hebrew word for “appear” to say the sun and moon “appeared” on the fourth day. Instead, Genesis 1:16 says he “made” them then.
Read Part 2 of this article.
AiG thanks Dr. Russell Humphreys and Ron Samec for their contributions to this article.
For more information on “gap” and “day-age” theories, and the Genesis account, please go to our Genesis topic page.
Thank you for reading the article. IF you actually read it, then you know it posits no theorems as the "simpletons" here do without knowledge. All the article does is simply outline a non-cultish way to view the Creation account.
While we are on the subject of cultish christianity and since you belong to the systematic theology cult, who btw has absolutely no supporting evidence for the Text they make into an idol and worship like a god. Let's look at the Sumerian Texts.
The Sumerian Creation account predates the Biblical creation account by about 2-3 thousand years. It IS written on 7 clay tablets and God does no work on the 7th tablet.
The oldest Biblical creation account is about 2300 years old, and we only have fragments (Dead Sea Scrolls). The oldest complete Old Testament is only about 700 years old. (Codex Leningradensis). The Sumerian Creation account written on clay tablets is about 4300-5300 years old!
So yeah, your doctrine of systematic theology is built on a pipe dream. There is over a thousand year gap from when the Bible says the Biblical creation account it was written and the oldest extant fragments we have today.
Your "logic" of systematic theology is based on an unproven hypothesis. For it to be considered credible, it would have to based on a proven theorem.
Since systematic theology is proven baseless. This allows for other Creation account interpretations. Which of course you deny based on no logical evidence. That's because it is cultish.
Now you can return to whining, crying and complaining about me simply presenting you with the FACTS. Sorry it hurts your feelings when I call out the simpletons.
I don't believe science supports an old universe. Here are some obvious reasons.
- Bible says creation took place over 6 days. If we go to billions of years, we have to add a lot of gaps between biblical events.
- Some claim there was a "big bang" that occurred to create the universe. Some say God caused it. But if these was a singularity that exploded, angular momentum is static in a closed system, so why is everything spread out? It would all be subject to the same force.
- We have two planets in our solar system that rotate counter-clockwise. If these was a sudden expanse, why would they be spinning in different directions? These planets are Venus and Uranus, between them we have four planets that rotate clockwise (Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn).
- We have an abundance of short-term comets in our solar system which indicates a fairly young age. Comets are made of snow, ice, and rock, and as they rotate around the sun, the condensation creates the appearance of a tail. If the universe/solar system were billions of years old, the sun would've melted them all.
- Additionally, the angular momentum of the moon would have to be static, and the moon's pull creates tidal forces, so the moon can't be too close to the earth or the force would be too strong and it would flood and tear the planet to bits. This marker is known as the Roche Limit, so if you extrapolate the moons angular momentum, the earth could at the high end be in the millions of years old, and definitely not billions. If everything was created at approximately the same time, everything else would be subject to a similar age as the earth.
I hear a lot of people go on about the age of the earth/universe, but to this day, I haven't seen any data that would suggest a universe that is billions of years old or an earth that is millions of years old. A lot of it is conjecture not based on actual science.
I read your post responding to Dr. Schroeder's hypothesis. I can't
believe you don't see Schroeder puts forth a hypothesis based on Science AND the Biblical creation account. You and your article put forth a theorem based on the systematic theological approach based on an unproven Text. It is circular reasoning!
Chuckles comes to a Christian Forum teaching about 95 percent of what Orthodox Jews believe since he believes we are saved by doing good works and obeying OT laws. If anyone disagrees with his teaching Chuckles claims they are a racist ant-Semite, and an unrepenting **LIAR** who misuses and wrongly translates Scripture. He also hogs about 66.6 Percent of the new threads. Actually he is a terrible theologian and is only good at taking one out of context Scripture to prove his teachings. The only other thing Chuckles is good at is calling everyone who disagrees with his Satanic teachings, terrible names.
Chuckles now claims he is not **ANTI-PAUL**??? However, every born from above believer believes every word of Pauline's epistles is the Word of God!!
Chuckles Satanic Quotes:
"Paul's advice should stand or fall on its own, rather than being declared words from the lips of God and therefore "New Commandments."
"Paul's advice is not a New Commandment from God."
"Who made Paul's words into God's word for all churches for all time????"
"You have no Scriptural support to back your assertion that Paul can impose (new) Commandments as Moses and Jesus."
"Who gave Paul equal authority with Moses and Jesus to write new commandments?"
***NEITHER MOSES OR PAUL HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE NEW COMMANDMENTS**!!
2 Peter 1:20-21: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit!
God the Father inspired the 32 writers of the OT to write what He wanted them to write. Just as God the Father gave Jesus all authority in the New and better Covenant of faith and love.
John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear . But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, an he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** THAT HE WILL RECEIVE WHAT HE WILL MAKE KNOWN TO YOU**! All that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said the Spirit will **RECEIVE FROM ME** what he will make known to you.
Hebrews 12:2: Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** and **PERFECTOR** OF OUR FAITH**!!**!!
Matthew 28:18-20: ! Therefore Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and earth has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**{The entire New Testament}. And surely I am with you always to the very end of the age!
And so Jesus told the Holy Spirit what he should inspire the 8 writers of the New and better Covenant to write the New and Better Covenant which included about 400 New Covenant commandments all inspired by Jesus!!!
We know that Paul was martyred by orders of Nero Caesar in December of AD 66 and we know that Paul was inspired to write 2 Timothy the last of his 14 inspired books just before he ascended into heaven because of 2 Timothy 4:6-8: Paul said, "For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race. I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the Crown of Righteousness!
All the other books of the New Testament except Revelation were written between AD 42 and AD 62 and had been distributed to most of the churches in the Roman Empire And so 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:1-3 included all the books of the Bible except Revelation:
2 Timothy 3:15; 4:1-3: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus {The Author of the NT}, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD** {The **ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Sadlup, ADAM7777, Hark} will not put up with sound doctrine.
And in AD 96 Jesus added the book of Revelation to the New Testament which Chuckles treats like a fairy tale.
Revelation 22:16,18,19: I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone {Like Chuckles}**ADDS* anything to them, God will *ADD* to that person the plagues described in this book {Which will include eternal torment in hell as per Rev 14:9-11}. And if anyone**TAKES WORDS AWAY** { Like the Preterists, Chuckles Sadlup, ADAM777 and Hark} God will **TAKE AWAY** from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The ETERNAL **NEW JERUSALEM**} which are described in this book!!
Peter 1:23-25: You have been **BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE LIVING AND ENDURING **WORD OF GOD**!! All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the **WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER**. And this is the **WORD** that was preached to you.
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but **MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY**!"
Colossians 3:16: Let the **WORD OF CHRIST** dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom!
What did Jesus and the Word of God say about the Apostle Paul in Acts and in 2 Peter 3:15-16??
Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and **TO HEAR WORDS FROM HIS MOUTH**. **YOU WILL BE HIS WITNESS TO ALL PEOPLE** of what you have seen and heard.
Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, "Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** AS A SERVANT AND AS A WITNESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND WILL SEE OF ME**! I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"
Acts 9:15: The Lord Jesus said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"
Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"
Chuckles &Satan claim the above 4 Scriptures that God inspired Luke to write are lies, thus making God a liar. These are definitely unpardonable sins which will earn chuckles eternal torment in hell.
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL ALSO WROTE WITH THE WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**! He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {For the Lost}. which IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT, {Like Chuckles} as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!{Which would be eternal torment in hell}
John 12:48: Jesus says, "There is a Judge for the one {Like Chuckles} who does not accept My words, the very words I have spoken {In Acts 9:15 & Acts 26:16-18 above} will condemn them at the Last Day!"
Galatians 6:2: **FULFILL THE LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Hebrews 12:2: Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the **AUTHOR** AND **PERFECTER** OF OUR FAITH**!
Chuckles: Actually Christians are the Jews best friends; so why would you want to make fun of all their Christian beliefs?? Chuckles comes to a Christian Forum teaching about 95 percent of what Orthodox Jews believe since he believes we are saved by doing good works and obeying OT laws. If anyone disagrees with his teaching Chuckles claims they are a racist ant-Semite, and an unrepenting **LIAR** who misuses and wrongly translates Scripture. He also hogs about 66.6 Percent of the new threads. Actually he is a terrible theologian and is only good at taking one out of context Scripture to prove his teachings. The only other thing Chuckles is good at is calling everyone who disagrees with his Satanic teachings, terrible names.
Jesus is called **LORD** over 200 times in the New Covenant of Faith and Love. However the name lord does not always mean God since Jesus is called Lord of lords as per Revelation 17:14 below. However, Jesus is also called God **SEVEN TIMES** in the New Testament and Chuckles like Satan teaches that Jesus is a lord but is not God.
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the Lamb will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!
Chuckles does not believe Jesus is God and believes the following Scripture is not inspired by God. Chuckles must also believe that the Gospel of John is not inspired by God since Jesus is called God **FOUR** times in the Gospel of John.
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...
No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
So Satan's followers all deceptively only say Jesus is lord but will never admit that Jesus is God like Chuckles.
Chuckles: Actually Christians are the Jews best friends; so why would you want to make fun of all their Christian beliefs?? Chuckles comes to a Christian Forum teaching about 95 percent of what Orthodox Jews believe since he believes we are saved by doing good works and obeying OT laws. If anyone disagrees with his teaching Chuckles claims they are a racist ant-Semite, and an unrepenting **LIAR** who misuses and wrongly translates Scripture. He also hogs about 66.6 Percent of the new threads. Actually he is a terrible theologian and is only good at taking one out of context Scripture to prove his teachings. The only other thing Chuckles is good at is calling everyone who disagrees with his Satanic teachings, terrible names.
Jesus is called **LORD** over 200 times in the New Covenant of Faith and Love. However the name lord does not always mean God since Jesus is called Lord of lords as per Revelation 17:14 below. However, Jesus is also called God **SEVEN TIMES** in the New Testament and Chuckles like Satan teaches that Jesus is a lord but is not God.
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the Lamb will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!
Chuckles does not believe Jesus is God and believes the following Scripture is not inspired by God. Chuckles must also believe that the Gospel of John is not inspired by God since Jesus is called God **FOUR** times in the Gospel of John.
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
John 1:1-3,18: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go, and the **WORD WAS GOD**. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that as been made...
No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 20:27-29: Jesus said to the doubting Thomas, "Put your finger here in My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to Him, My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, Because you have seen Me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!" {And so since Chuckles does not believe he is not blessed by Jesus!!}
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
So Satan's followers all deceptively only say Jesus is lord but will never admit that Jesus is God like Chuckles.
(AKJV & standard KJV of Genesis 1:28 has replenish).