Author	Thread: Who Will Be in Heaven ?
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 30 Nov, 2019 01:46 PM Most people think when they die they are going to heaven. If you ask why, the majority would say they have been good people or their positive deeds outweigh any negative things they've done. Yet the Sad reality is most people will not find themselves in heaven and that includes some who Claim to be Christians. Study your Bible People ! Learn about God. Matthew 7:13-27 Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 01:45 PM Spirit (or Soul) goes to Heaven immediately when a Believer dies. John 11:23-26. KJV Body remains til Judgement Day. Out Spirit (or Soul) returns to God. Ecclesiastes 12:7 Thief on the cross Luke 23:43 Everyone who trusts in Jesus goes to Heaven. Post Reply
T0TH3M4X View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 02:34 PM John 11:23-26 doesn't even mention "Heaven" Jesus is telling Martha that Lazarus will rise again at the last day, and those who believe in Him will as well. Ecc 12:7 doesn't say anything about heaven or residing their eternally. It just says that our spirit returns to God when we pass and the dust goes back to the ground. Luke 23:43 is Jesus speaking to the penitent thief. He said that the man would be with Him in paradise (Abraham's Bosom). Not heaven. Jesus went to the belly of the earth, just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish. This would've been Abraham's Bosom. Just as the rich man was there when he cried out to Abraham to quench is tongue. Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Luke 16:22-26 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. If the rich man could see Lazarus in Abraham's Bosom, then where were they? Answer: Center of the earth. In Jonah, the belly of the fish is even spoken of as hell. Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 02:57 PM Jesus said to her, " I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. John 11:25 Jesus was letting Martha know she would see her brother before the last day. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 02:59 PM When our Spirit returns to God , we go to Heaven because that's where God is. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 03:06 PM Paradise is no longer in existence, Jesus freed those there when he Rose from the dead. Heaven is where Jesus is along with those who trusted God in the OT. Post Reply
T0TH3M4X View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 04:41 PM Sorry, but much of that is not what the Bible says. - Of course Martha would see Lazarus again, and before the last day, because Jesus literally resurrected him the same day and it is in the same chapter. This took place on earth. John 11:40-44 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. - God is with us no matter where we are. He is omnipresent. Just as King David said: Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. - I don't know where you got that paradise no longer exists. It's mentioned two other times in scripture. Once it was with Paul referring to it, when he thought he may have been caught up in paradise. This was obviously after the resurrection. If it was gone, why would he think it possible? 2 Cor 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 04:59 PM After Jesus resurrection there was no longer a need for Paradise! Hell side still exists . Post Reply
T0TH3M4X View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 05:17 PM Then why did Paul mention it? It it was gone, why would Paul think he was possibly hearing utterance? This was a considerable amount of time after the resurrection. Additionally it would've happened after Pentecost, and following the conversion of Saul to Paul, then into some of his missionary journeys. Not only that, but it's mentioned one other time in Revelation after bringing up the deeds of the Nicolaitans and addressing the seven churches. Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. If it's gone, why do we see it mentioned in two other times well after the resurrection and even yet to come? Post Reply
Moonlight7 View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 05:54 PM Revelation 20:14 Hell - Lake of 🔥 Ephesians 4:8'9'10 Jesus alone went down to Paradise to lead the captives free! Post Reply
T0TH3M4X View Profile History	Who Will Be in Heaven ? Posted : 4 Dec, 2019 06:27 PM - Penitent thief was there. - As far as I know, Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different places. In fact, Hell will be cast into the Lake of Fire after the Great White Throne Judgment. Rev 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Good study. :) Post Reply

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