3. And Yah said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4. And Yah saw the light, that it was good: and Yah divided the light from the darkness.
5. And Yah called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and (plus) the (that) morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:14-16 (KJV)
14. And Yah said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16. And Yah made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Looking at Genesis 1:3-5, notice that it only mentions a literal singular light! This is HUGE in importance for later.
Zechlup claims 1:3-5 is not talking about the obvious sun and its light when he states - "The Text doesn't say God made the sun on day one. While it is an admittedly common mistake to conflate "light" with "sun" it is not what the Text says." Lol! He goes on to state in his "educated" wisdom - "This is called "reading into the Text"." That is hilarious reasoning of the subject in question and really just a cop out in not answering WHAT the text is actually saying! Lol!
Lets look at the Strongs.
Sun - Hebrew "shemish" #8121, brilliant - Sun. DUH!
Light - Hebrew "ma'or" #3974, luminous body, luminary. Sun would be a luminary! Double DUH!!
ANY weak debater would OWN Zechlup Einstein with only a concordance! What is a matter with you Zechlup??? You fall off your horse and hit your head?
So friends, since Zechlup does not have a clue what is being stated in Genesis 1:3-5, can I get an actual reasonable discussion from someone else as to the literial "light" that is being described in those verses?
But FIRST we can actually learn a lot from an atheist! This challenge from the atheist will actually answer (teach us) what is stated in Genesis 1:3-5 and to that of Genesis 1:14-16! So lets ANSWER the challenge by the atheists, I want to see how someone here on this forum would respond to an atheist, like I did. Remember we are to be witnesses to the lost! Question from atheist below.
"Atheists LOVE to make fun of Christians when they say "you worship a silly G_d that makes a sun on day one and another on day four" they proudly state in a puffed up chest, there is only one sun!"
Can I get an answer to it? Because Zechlup here does not have one, he dont know? Ha! He is a strawman theologian. Lol!
"Oh my gosh people! God divided the light from the darkness - think black hole (total darkness without form and void) let there be light - black hole explodes releasing light and energy. Everything is now divided by the event horizon; light, energy and matter escapes on one side. The darkness on the other as it collapses back into a black hole - 1st day!"
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Maybe your on to something after all Zech. Never thought about it until I give it a second look. Are you saying that the "light and energy" was released out of the round sphere beach ball back then and you live on the repaired one now? Maybe during Creation you think the earth was like a deflated bean bag because the "black hole explodes" from the punctured area in "light and energy" before your G_d (in your mind) had a chance to inflate it again? You did say "light, energy and MATTER escapes on one side" so I'm thinking its like a deflated bean bag with the punctured area and your earth passes putrid intestinal collapsed round sphere bean gas from that orifice area??? Is that what you are saying??? I bet it was a NOISY event, ignited lit flames and lots of energy, let alone the smell! So that event then took place on or just below the horrorizon then??? "Oh my gosh people" is an understatement of that event because that must of been one smelly "black hole" event! All on the "1st day." Wow!
Satan and his followers like Zecharyah claim that Jesus was a human sinner and was not God??
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD's WORD SAY**??
2 Corinthians 5:21: God made Him **WHO HAD NO SIN** to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God!
Hebrews 4:14-15: Since we have a great High Priest who ascended into heaven. Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly the faith we profess. For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have One who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--**YET WITHOUT SIN**!!
**IS JESUS OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**??
John 20:27-29: Then He said to Thomas, "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe!" Thomas said to him, "My Lord and **MY GOD**!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!
Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign. The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and will call Him **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord said to Joseph, "Take Mary home as your wife because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She is to give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus which means **GOD IS HELP**, because He will save His people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14 above} "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him **IMMANUEL** which means **GOD WITH US**!
John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, but the One and only Son, who is **HIMSELF GOD** and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!
John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I am the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you will know the Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!"
**GOD'S WORD COMMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY WORSHIP GOD**!!
Matthew 4:9,10: Satan said to Jesus, "All this I will give you if you bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, Away from Me Satan! For it is written, '**WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD** and serve Him only!
Revelation 19:9,10: The angel said to me, "Write this: **BLESSED** are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the **LAMB**!" And he added, "These are the true words of God!" At this I fell at his feet to **WORSHIP** him, But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus! **WORSHIP GOD**! For it is the spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus!"
Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!
Hebrews 1:6,8: When God brings His firstborn into the world He says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**.... About the Son He says, "Your throne, **O GOD**, will last for ever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of **YOUR KINGDOM**!"
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY**in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always!"
**JESUS CHRIST, OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**
Jesus is **WORSHIPED** many times in God's Word in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 and Revelation 5:11-14 and !5:4!!
Matthew 2:10,11: When the Wise Men saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the Child with His mother Mary, and they bowed down and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 14:33; Then those who were in the boat **WORSHPED HIM**!!
Matthew 28:8,9: So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell His disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and **WORSHIPED HIM**!
Matthew 28:16,17: Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When the saw Him, they **WORSHIPED HIM**!
There are some who completely ignore these Scriptures and claim that Jesus is not God because he said that the Father is greater than me in John 14:28 and that the Father told Him what to say as per John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey My teaching. My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. The words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me."
John 9:37,38: Jesus said, "You have now seen Him; in fact, He is the one speaking with you!" Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he **WORSHIPED HIM**!
NOTE: Jesus is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation!
Revelation 5:13,14: Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, an all that is In them, saying "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**!
Revelation 17:14; They will wage war against the **LAMB**, but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be **HIS** **CALLED**, *CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!!
Titus 2:13,14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!!
You did say "light, energy and MATTER escapes on one side" so I'm thinking its like a deflated bean bag with the punctured area and your earth passes putrid intestinal collapsed round sphere bean gas from that orifice area??? Is that what you are saying??? I bet it was a NOISY event, ignited lit flames and lots of energy, let alone the smell!
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Oh, teddy,sugarbear, that is nasty...reminds me of that guy on YouTube who lights his gas on fire. ROTF!
Please explain to us how the moon self illuminates and how it goes through phases of illumination.
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Whoever is following this thread it should be clear by now Teddyhug can't back his play. He insists the moon does not reflect the light of the sun but is unable to explain how it illuminates, He gets all pissy when asked the obvious question; 'If not the sun, then what?'
The round earth with a round satellite, orbiting the sun model PERFECTLY explains moon phases and eclipses, not to mention seasons and tides.
Teddyhug says it's ALL wrong, but cannot articulate a model that works in its place. Of course, sooner or later I'm expecting some copy and paste bs from some wacko flat earth forum. 🙄
Whoever is following this thread it should be clear by now Teddyhug can't back his play. He insists the moon does not reflect the light of the sun but is unable to explain how it illuminates, He gets all pissy when asked the obvious question; 'If not the sun, then what?'
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He is patient and wants you to figure it out yourself. Same with me. He wants me to answer the Independent light question. He gives me homework same as you.
You have to use your brain. Common sense required always. I took a quiz once and 90% of the people failed. Why? because we overthink. I felt like an idiot.
Here it is!...YouTube -Common Sense Test That 90% of People Fail
Teddy, didn't answer as I just read your subject matter. I cannot be involved in discussions which are not about Messiah, as He says to make learners of me not some thermal nuclear waste, or even atomic poop, flat earth or moon that reflects the sun's light.
No, I do not know any mechanics whether auto or diesel that own a Buck Roger's thermal atomic brain altering, sunlight reflecting laser.
Well here is the truth you may not realize! The Messiah Yah'shua is and was the WORD from the beginning of this enclosed flat earth and everything in it, before he came in the flesh and then named Messiah Yah'shua! Did you catch that? Messiah Yah'shua THE WORD, the Bible clearly says CREATED everything and so he is the discussion and its all about Him in this thread! Ok?
You want the Bible verses for me to prove that? Why do you make fun of an invented tool of technology that measures heat as well as cold??? Use a surface mercury thermometer then that you probably already have and are cheaper. Why the attitude Grace? I expect that from Zechlup but not you!
Why are you so disrespectful in this thread and not to others? For anyone following this thread it should be clear by now that Zechlup posts numerous distractions, assumptions, his own self study method plus ordained sources and out right pagan lies! Lets look at the evidence below.
"I'm no expert in Hebrew. I've studied Hebrew and know enough to know Hebrew is a poor language; meaning it has few words. Therefore the same word in Hebrew can mean many words in English. Different meanings in Hebrew for the same word are obtained with prefix, suffix and context. So if someone starts explaining a Hebrew word or sentence using Strong's concordance; take what
they say with a grain of salt."
Notice the self rightious method of study that only Zechlup knows "prefix, suffix and context" of "meanings in Hebrew" words and his assumption that using a Strong's concordance is a joke and discounts it all in labeling it as nothing more than a low life brand of
small salt. Lol! This clown is self righteous and full of himself! Then claiming he is NOT an expert in Hebrew then contradicts himself by stating only his method is accurate in what ever source(s) that is! LMBO!
Then he posts more distractions by his wonderful advice that I need to read a jesuit illuminati freemason propaganda EXPERT explanation about the supposed proof that the full moon DOES NOT produce a cold light! Lol! I actually have done the experiment and Zechlup has NOT but he trusts illuminati freemason propaganda to explain what Zechlup cannot in his obvious ignorance! Wow!
However he then strangely says it would be a waste of my time when he states - "you are shooting yoursslf in the foot" because he has the the Bible verse that solves the mystery (only in his own mind) about my ACTUAL proven experiment that indeed the full moon (or even close to full) puts off a COLD light. Its Biblically self iluminnated!
Genesis 1:14 "Let there be lights' (plural!); verse 15 "let them be for lights"(plural again!) "to give light"; verse 16 "Yah made TWO GREAT lights." (plural again 3 verses, 3 witnesses now!). Yet Zechlup misses these obvious witnessing truths!?
His solution Biblical verse below is -
"What may be known of God is manifest in them for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world his invisible
attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are
without excuse (Romans 1:19,20)."
What??? Not a thing about the moon in that above distraction verse on this thread???
This must be how Richard Zechlup reads that verse - What may be known of G_d about His reflective moon is manifest in them for
G_d has shown it to them (mainly inspired Zech). For since the creation of the reflective moon and the globlet model has His
invisible attributes that are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and G_dhead, so that
they are without excuse."
Well good golly wally, I have no excuse when Zechs translation (in his own mind) clearly says the moon is a reflector (Lol!) and the globlet model plus moon phases shows us His invisible attributes are clearly seen??? Huh? Invisible??? I go out and actually look between new moon day and on to two weeks at full moon time and CLEARLY the covering of the moon does NOT line up with the angle to that of the sun! Its obvious the sun is NOT casting the "shadows" on the moon and making its phases!
Notice this secular cult distraction he posts in my thread after my posting below.
Teddyhug posts - Now here is something to think about, did Yahweh actually Create His WORD as a literial "light" on the first day of Creation week as we know it? So how did time start? When Yahweh made a "sun" and caused it to move in motion above the flat plane of the earth? Time began as we know it when the "sun" was made (then lighted) in day one and put in motion. Correct?
So then Zechlup rudely enters with a crazy secular atheist statement - "God spoke! Bam! There was light! Sounds like a "Big Bang" to me."
Notice the secular cult distraction above from the topic of the thread!
He also states and distracts AGAIN - "Nothing in the Big Bang theory contradicts Divine Creation or Intelligent Design." Lol!
Then when I try to reason with him that Creation was not a secular athiest "Big Bang" thing because it actually took 7 days to Create everything as we know it, not one explosion then self development of random chance from that scattered mess. Teddyhug actually stated - " it was NOT a confusing explosion and a random chance of present existence! Wow, what ignorance!"
Then Zechlup posts this - " This statement just goes to show how smart you think you are and how dumb you think G_d is." Wow, did you catch this distraction from the thread? I'm now supposedly saying and thinking Yah is dumb??? Where did that all come from in what I said??? Zechlup seems to be judgmental here and getting "pissy" now, using his very own word.
Then if all that distraction is not enough, Zechlup goes in full blown hollywood secular athiest reasoning by posting this below.
"Oh my gosh people! God divided the light from the darkness - think black hole (total darkness without form and void) let there be light - black hole explodes releasing light and energy. Everything is now divided by the event horizon; light, energy and matter escapes on one side. The darkness on the other as it collapses back into a black hole - 1st day!" end quote.
Wow! I had to respond to this nutcase hollywood secular athiest dribble. I mean here he is talking "smack" against the Creation account in the Bible! So I had to respond with some "smack" of my own in making fun of his secular athiest statement! Zechlup, I love the challenge! You want to play, I will play! Lol!
What was shockingly interesting was Richard (P7744), actually posts an actual discussion with his own questions and challenges!
Wow! He used his reasoning skills that Zechlup refuses to use! I could actually have a discussion with him I thought but that was short lived as he did not respond to my answers and questions back to him. But at least he did not distract from the topic of the thread!!!
Finally then Zechlup tires of his secular craziness when he realizes all his "mumbo jumbo" is accomplishing nothing when he states -
"Let's cut to chase of all this (my) mumbo jumbo"
"Please explain to us how the moon self illuminates"
"The reflected light model works perfectly."
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I then give him the answer that he should discover for himself!
"Solution to your statements above Zechlup is a - "Thermometer Digital Laser Surface Temperature Gun" and you either need to own one or borrow one? If so then there are still waning, somewhat full moons tonight and will be several yet to some degree for nights (late now) coming if its clear where your at in your location. Do the test when moon is out and shining on concrete or some kind of solid surface where there is partial shade of the moon light like a tree or building shade. Check temp in direct moon light and then in the shade and tell us what the difference in temp is between the two different locations.
So how does Zechlup respond? More "smack" talk -
Teddyhug - We need your help!
I noticed last night some of the lights were going out on the right side of the moon. I was thinking since it's an enclosed system you could take a couple boxes of light bulbs, fly up there in a ballon and change out the bad ones for us. Of course I could have this all wrong. Maybe the moon is made with fluorescent glowing cheese. If that's the case I won't expect you to be coming back because I smell a big fat rat." end quote.
So then I had to respond AGAIN when I see someone like Zechlup talking smack, I love the challenge! You want to play, I will play!
More distractions! So Zechlup causes P7744 to post now this in my thread because of Zechlup's ignorance in not making it perfectly clear what the Bible says about Yah'shua came in sinful flesh yet knew no sin.
So P7744 posts (pukes) this in my thread - Satan and his followers like Zecharyah claim that Jesus was a human sinner.
Do you see now what you have done!!!! So Zechlup, are you done with your posts of numerous distractions, assumptions, of your own self study methods plus your supposedly ordained sources and out right pagan lies like Big Bangs!? If you are then we can move forward with this thread. Ok?
