For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 6 Aug, 2019 07:23 PM
Jesus Christ never predestined people to Heaven and hell, before the foundation of the world, this is a false doctrine taught by the Calvinist, they always like to use verses such as :
John 6:44: No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
but they always fail to mention:
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL MEN unto me.
Jesus Christ did not choose who he wanted to go to heaven and hell, it was mans choice, they can choose where they want to go.
Calvinist's always like to base their entire false doctrines off a few verses but just excuse the tons more that have more details etc... you can't just pick and choose what verses you want to use for your doctrine and excuse the rest. and also they like to use the verse:
Ephesians 1:11: "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:"
Philippians 1:29: "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;"
1 Thessalonians 1:4–5: "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake."
2 Thessalonians 2:13: "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
Romans 9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Well first off, this has totally nothing to do with Jesus dying for some elite elect. it is talking about two brothers, and Esau was not doing right, and Jacob was.
The bible says in multiple occasions stuff like:
"....Not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance." The Bible says: For God so loved the WORLD....."
Not some elect that he chose from the foundation of the world. This false Doctrine is Wicked, and it makes God look bad, it would be like a guy who had the cure for cancer, But he said he was only going to give it to 10 million people, which he could give it to everyone with cancer, but he only chose to give it to 10 million. now would people be like:
"WOW! What a great guy! He is giving the cure for cancer to 10 million people!"
No!, they would be like:
"What a monster, He will not even give it to all the other millions and millions of people. " and that is what it is like.
it is making God look like a monster.
DO NOT FALL IN THE PITFALLS OF CALVANISIM.
Verses
John 3:16: For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
John 12:32: And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
1 Timothy 2:4: since he wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9: The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some regard slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not wish for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
1 John 2:2: and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world.
John 1:12: But to all who have received him - those who believe in his name - he has given the right to become God's children
Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who are sent to you! How often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you would have none of it!
Now imagine what this kind of doctrine does to people, the kind of people who are full of sin and think they are too wicked for God to love and save.
Then they are exposed to this kind of doctrine , even from well meaning people...perhaps this person is shown a tract from James Whites website (yes, I saw it and read it) Alpha and Omega ministries and this Dr.White seems to confirm this poor person's beliefs about himself and never comes to the saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ!!!
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 8 Aug, 2019 09:13 PM
Prophetic 7744,
I don't even know why I'm spending time talking to you. I'm sure it will be a waste. However here we go;
You really don't understand salvation. Yes, we are saved from judgment because we have faith in the grace of God. Abuse the grace of God as a license to sin and you'll forfeit your salvation.
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 9 Aug, 2019 06:21 AM
John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. **IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST AND WILL FORGIVE OUR SINS** and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned we make Him out to be a liar and His Word is not in us!
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against
us!'"
James 5:16: **CONFESS YOUR SINS** to each other and pray for each other!!
Galatians 6:1-3: Is someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore him gently... Carry each others burdens, and in this way you fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
I John 2:6: Whoever claims to live in Him **MUST** LIVE AS JESUS DID**!!
Zecharyah: Do you **LIVE AS JESUS LIVED** If not you must **CONFESS YOUR SIN**? **REPENT OF YOUR SIN** and **ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOUR SIN EVERY DAY**
I Thessalonians 5:17,18: "**PRAY CONTINUALLY**; GIVE THANKS IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, FOR THIS IS GOD'S WILL FOR YOU IN CHRIST JESUS!!"
Zecharyah, **DO YOU PRAY CONTINUALLY AND GIVE THANKS IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES**?? If not you need to **CONFESS YOUR SIN** **REPENT OF YOUR SIN** and **ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SIN EVERY DAY**!!
**IF WE DO NOT ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND REPENT OF OUR SINS GOD WILL DISCIPLINE US**
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and **REPENT**!!"
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** He accepts as a son! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined--and everyone undergoes discipline--then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 9 Aug, 2019 06:28 AM
KJVONLY wrote:
"The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy[3] as the verb bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people"
The phenomenon of a "chosen people" is particularly common in the Israelite tradition, where it originally referred to the Israelites
God does not play favorites among His people, however, the Bible does tell us that God's chosen people are the Jewish race because they were the ONLY ones to obey Him in lieu of other gods."
I wonder if you would explain your statement that Israel was "the only ones to OBEY Him." Since you are talking about election, are you saying that God chose them because they obeyed? I certainly don't see that they obeyed. in fact, they were disobedient from the time that God took them out of Egypt and remained so.
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 9 Aug, 2019 06:43 AM
John 1:8-10: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. **IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST AND WILL FORGIVE OUR SINS** and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned we make Him out to be a liar and His Word is not in us!
Luke 11:1-4: The **DISCIPLES** asked Jesus, "Lord teach as to pray." Jesus replied **TO HIS DISCIPLES**, "When you pray, say: '**FATHER**, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. **FORGIVE US OUR SINS**, for we also forgive everyone who sins against
us!'"
James 5:16: **CONFESS YOUR SINS** to each other and pray for each other!!
Galatians 6:1-3: Is someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore him gently... Carry each others burdens, and in this way you fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
I John 2:6: Whoever claims to live in Him **MUST** LIVE AS JESUS DID**!!
Zecharyah: Do you **LIVE AS JESUS LIVED** If not you must **CONFESS YOUR SIN**? **REPENT OF YOUR SIN** and **ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOUR SIN EVERY DAY**
I Thessalonians 5:17,18: "**PRAY CONTINUALLY**; GIVE THANKS IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, FOR THIS IS GOD'S WILL FOR YOU IN CHRIST JESUS!!"
Zecharyah, **DO YOU PRAY CONTINUALLY AND GIVE THANKS IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES**?? If not you need to **CONFESS YOUR SIN** **REPENT OF YOUR SIN** and **ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOU OF YOUR SIN EVERY DAY**!!
**IF WE DO NOT ASK THE FATHER IN JESUS NAME TO FORGIVE US OUR SINS AND REPENT OF OUR SINS GOD WILL DISCIPLINE US**
Revelation 3:19: Jesus says, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline, so be earnest and **REPENT**!!"
Hebrews 12:5-11: Do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He chastens **EVERYONE** He accepts as a son! Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined--and everyone undergoes discipline--then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it!
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 9 Aug, 2019 09:50 AM
@Montanagrace:
You write; "The phenomenon of a "chosen people" is particularly common in the Israelite tradition, where it originally referred to the Israelites"
Montanagrace, I have this discussion with fellow Jews a lot. I say; "Yes, we Jews are a chosen people, but that by itself is an incomplete statement. We need to ask; 'chosen for what!'"
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 10 Aug, 2019 09:25 AM
Jesus Christ is our great God and our **HEAD TEACHER** and he also appoints teachers to teach His teachings while He is in heaven according to God's Word!!
Zecharyah has stated that is wrong to call our great God and Savior Jesus Christ our **HEAD TEACHER** since adding the word **HEAD** would be adding to God's Word and that Jesus is our only **TEACHER**??
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Ephesians 4:7,11-13,16: To each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it... So Christ Himself {Not the church!} gives some to be apostles, some to be **PROPHETS**, some to be **EVAMGELISTS** and some to be **PASTORS** and **TEACHERS**, to equip His people for works of service. so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ....Speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every way the mature body of Him who is the **HEAD**, that is, **CHRIST**! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work!
I Timothy 5:17: The **ELDERS** who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of a double honor, especially those whose work is **PREACHING ** and **TEACHING**!
I Timothy 3:1 Whoever desires to be an **OVERSEER** desires a noble task. Now the **OVERSEER**is to be above reproach, faithful to **HIS** wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable and **ABLE TO TEACH**!!
Romans 12:4-7: We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is **PROPHESYING**, then prophesy in accordance with your faith, if it is **TEACHING**,**THEN TEACH**!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...**TEACHING** them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And srely I am with you always, to the very end of the age!!"
**TEACHING** them to obey everything Jesus commanded would include all the books in the New Testament since Jesus commanded the holy spirit to inspire all of the books in the New Testament as per:
John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on His own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to you!"
**THERE ARE ALSO FALSE TEACHERS LIKE ZECHARYAH AND SATAN THAT TEACH YOU ARE SAVED BY GOOD WORKS**??
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , He saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!
Ephesians 2:8,9: For it is by **GRACE** you have been saved, through **FAITH**—and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**—not by works. So that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S WORKMANSHIP**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!
2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the **HOLY SCRIPTURES**, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. **ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED** and is useful for **TEACHING**, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**!! {**WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NEW COVENANT AND NEW TESTAMENT**!!} Be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people {Like Zecharyah} will not put up with sound doctrine!
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 11 Aug, 2019 01:01 PM
Montanagrace
Thanks for your question!
God chose the Israelites and freed them from slavery because God loved them and because God had made promises to their ancestors, the biblical patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Exodus 19:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
For whomsoever will ..Jesus is not discrimiate!! (calvinism)
Posted : 11 Aug, 2019 01:13 PM
Parrot
When you posted about Jesus not speaking to all...did you read the context? I know whom I have chosen...Who was he speaking about? Where , what , who and how..
There are rules for interpretation which I am in need of applying myself.
18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.’
Jesus predicted His betrayal in verses 18 to 30. He brought out the tragedy of Judas’ action. Verse 18 expands on verse 17.
18 “I do not speak concerning all of you.
Jesus made it very clear that He was not speaking about everyone at the meal in the upper room.
And speaking in tongues is passed away . Ceased. It was also a sign for the JEWS...not gentiles in the first century.
1 Corinthians 1:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1 Corinthians 14:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
And since we have no need of prophets, that ceased too in the first century .All is fulfilled. Ok, I know you don't believe that..just saying.
