That makes me so happy somebody actually asked! I'm tempted to start a new thread with details. But this is really between you and I so I'll explain here.
The Shabbat is indeed on the 7th day of the week. Modern Christians confuse a day of worship with a day of rest. They are not, nor ever been, the same thing. The early Christians rested on Shabbat; the 7th day and worshipped on the morning of the 1st day in commemoration of the resurrection.
Good so far?
"Saturday" is the result of the modern calendar and is currently the 7th day of the week. The problem is the original Hebrew calendar was a lunar/solar calendar not the calendar we now operate on.
In your Bible the word translated as month is the Hebrew word "moon". All Feast days are still determined by the moon. Originally the weeks were determined by the moon.
No Moon = 1 or 2 days
New Moon = count starts
Half Moon Waxing = 7th day
Full Moon = 14th day
Half Moon Waning = 21st day
Moon disappears = 28th day
This is an oversimplification but in reality works a little differently. But for you just starting out; this is a good basic model.
Yes, I keep the feast days. And yes I sleep outside. Lol. The instruction for pilgrimage is usually taken to mean those within the land of Israel.
Actually before the Babylonian capture of Israel God commanded that the 1st day of the first Bible month was the first day of Abib which is always from sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st and after the Babylonian exile Israel sinfully adopted the evil Babylonian Moon Calendar and their evil first month of Nisan which is a calendar completely regulated by the moon and the first day of Nisan was the first day of the new moon instead of the first day of Abib which is always from sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st.
Numbers 28:16: “On the 14th day of the **FIRST MONTH** the Lord’s Passover is to be held.” Exodus 12:6,7,12,13: “Take care of them {The Passover Lambs} until the 14th day of the month when all the people of Israel must slaughter them {See Lev 23:5} at Twilight {Just after sundown to nightfall on Passover Day! 1 Cor 5:7: “For Christ our PASSOVER LAMB has been sacrificed.” Whereas the Jews {who were following the evil Babylonian moon calendar} held their Passover on the 15th of Nisan {Which always occurs on the night of a full moon} and observed the Passover on the WRONG DAY as per John 18:28: “Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman Governor {Pilate}. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; for they wanted to be able to eat the PASSOVER!!” Which would have been the day “AFTER” Jesus correctly held the Passover on the 14th of ABIB {*THE FIRST BIBLE MONTH*} which God had commanded. So we can assume that the month of ABIB is different from the Babylonian moon month of Nisan and therefore has nothing to do with the moon.
When does the **FIRST MONTH** of the Bible Year called ABIB begin?? Many Bible scholars believe that it always begins of the first day of SPRING or sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st for ABIB is the Hebrew word for SPRING!!! And so the 14th {*7+7*} Day of ABIB can also be translated the 14th {*7+7*} day of SPRING!!
Who blows the shofar? How do you know when the new moon begins and full moon of Elul?...
We don't have to work keeping the festivals and requirements any longer . Jesus is our rest.
How in the world do you keep 600+ laws!! I hope you got a farm with lots of sheep and goats . How do you get them to Israel for the priests to sacrifice? The whole wide world was small back then because America was not discovered yet. It was easier to travel to the holy land . Or do you think God winks at your efforts? . I feel bad for you and countless others. The SDA denomination was so legalistic that you were afraid to turn on a light in your house during the sabbath or drive your car because it sparked electricity but they still expected church appearance!! The Lord is not the author of confusion. I been in it and it's HELL! That is why I quit church denominations and read the bible . I am resting , resting, resting . I kept pressing into truth! None but Christ! I am not offending God because Jesus is God in the flesh , Amen! I keep you and others like you in my prayers because I understand what it is like!!! I was so sad and confused that I would cry! I wanted to love and please God and felt like I was missing it somehow.
I pray ,Lord, let not my season of being in other denominations be in vain. Amen! All glory goes to you!
1 John 2:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Yes, God instructs Moses in Exodus 12 iirc the first day of Aviv is the first day of the year. But this had to do with years and months. Remember month = moon in Hebrew.
Keeping time by the moon is not "evil". It is just a way to keep time. You're mistaken the Jews adopted their calendar. The Hebrew calendar resets in the spring with the sun, (lunar/solar). The Babylonian calendar was strictly Lunar with no resetting to the sun - just like Islam does today.
Wow, you surprised me with all that! Okay I understand you have PTSS from the SDA.
I'll I ask is you try to understand where I'm coming from then decide.
You asked some questions:
I have my own Shofars and sight the moon myself. I do Not think this earns salvation. However it has been a great blessing to be aware and in sync with the Creators system of time keeping.
Yes, I have a small farm, however you assume I think all 613 instructions are applicable to me. Not even the most Hasdic Orthodox Jew believes that! Only a very small portion of the 613 instructions are applicable to any one person, especially now since there is no Temple or Theocratic government of Israel. For the Gentile there are really only the 7 instructions given to Noah after the flood and James repeats four of them in Acts 15 (James conflates some together).
You seem to have spiritualized the Shabbat by resting in the finished work of the cross everyday. Although I agree in theory with that view, there is realistically a problem with that view. Because the instruction isn't just to rest on one day, but to work the other six.
Hear me out on this; IMHO; God gave us instructions on how to best live. For example working 6 and resting 1 is a good way to live. Also the dietary instructions make sense when the animals we aren't supposed to eat are mainly scavengers eating dead and rotting carcasses.
You worry and pray for me? Hey, I'll take prayer But I don't do these things legalistically to earn salvation. But rather I trust God knows best on how to live. I trust God has given us instructions on the best way to live because He loves us.
Work 7 days a week or rest 7 days a week, eat as much pig, crab legs and shrimp as you want. But when you pray to God because your health is bad what do you think He is going to say?
None of this effects your salvation other than it might be realized sooner than later. Lol!
Sadlup...Yeah, I am not as fluent by any means on sabbath keeping and the laws or regulations as you. I didn't stay in it long. You blow me away with your knowledge. I AGREE 99% on what you mentioned concerning certain animals. If I eat pig once in a while though, I don't give it a thought...BUT...do I buy it ...no..not unless I made a mistake like last week when I was somewhat craving BBQ sandwiches! It was like...YEAH, I haven't had that in forever..! I agree, why eat unhealthy food then complain because your arteries are clogged. I understand that some people are predisposed to certain health conditions but take my mom for instance, who died at 55 of heart disease. chained smoked, cooked with lard , and had 2 heart surgeries before she passed. She certainly didn't help herself...I eat very healthy. I have my moments like with the BBQ but I think I last had a sandwich like that about 5 years ago maybe. I love asparagus, salads, beets, turnips, brussel sprouts,vegetable lasagnas, vegetable pizzas, turkey meatball sandwiches , chili , tacos...etc...now you are hungry...someone is I bet!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, **ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**! Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING**I have commanded you! And surely I am with you always, to the very **END OF THE AGE**!!"
A topic for another discussion by the end of the age was in 70.A.D. at the consummation and wedding supper of the Lamb and resurrection and judgement on Israel. There is only the Mosaic Age and the Christian age...The Mosaic age has passed, yes..? I will glady stand corrected if I am wrong.
I go away on a long trip, only to return to this thread of confusion. Its like a sick dog riding itself of vomit (paganism), only to return to it and eat it up once again! This thread is going a little off topic here on page 4 or so. I tip my hat to LittleDavid and KJVonly for their thoughts and enlightenment here and with Bible verses to boot!
P7744 writes -
"There are various methods of calculating the boundaries of an astrological age. In sun-sign astrology, the first sign is Aries, followed by Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, **AQUARIUS*, and Pisces, whereupon the cycle returns to Aries and through the zodiacal signs again."
"A common position expressed by many Pagan astrologers sees the Age of Aquarius as that time when humanity takes control of the Earth and its own destiny as its rightful heritage, with the destiny of humanity being the revelation of truth and the expansion of consciousness, and that some people will experience **MENTAL ENLIGHTMENT** in advance of others and therefore be recognized as the new leaders in the world."
"Carbon dating neither shows that the Neanderthals were here from about 60,000bc to about 20,000bc nor does it show dinosaurs living here between 70,000bc to about 10,000bc !!!!"
Sadlup writes -
"the sun to rise in the spring in a new constellation about every 2000 years. Next - "For approximately 2000 before Abraham was the age of Taurus the Bull. (An old god of Egypt)" Next - "The next 2000; Aries the Ram. (Ram caught in the bush; substitute for Issac)." Next - "The next 2000; Pisces the Fish (Fisher of men)"
Next - "We are now entering the age of Aquarius now, the man carrying a jar of water. (So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him.)"
- Mark 14:13
"Precession travels backwards through the 12 constellations and we don't know the beginning point. However we do know the Sphinx faces directly at the constellation Leo during the spring equinox 12,000 years ago."
Look at the pagan garbage above, mixed with the Holy Bible! Sadlup, how could you? Do we wallow with the pagan swine in the mud? Grunting in paganism? Wow, all I can say is WOW I'am blown away by the paganism (notice it sounds like satanism) mixed with rightousness and the outright denial of the Creation of earth as we know it of around 6000 years old. Not 10,000; 12,000;
20,000; 60,000 nor 70,000 years old! There is no speculation in me, claiming by some faulty manmade "carbon dating" method to tell me the age of the earth! I'm content with knowing there was some kind of earth made, planned for, perhaps like a hunk of clay waiting to be formed and shaped on the Master's wheel before Creation week began as we know it! This is our home, our domed tent, it was made for us, lets go camping friends!
I leave you with this by letter, before I sail away again. Perhaps much like Paul would say - O FOOLISH Galations (Sadlup & P7744), who hath bewitched you? Are you so foolish in paganism? Having begun in the Spirit of truth and faith, then turn again in bondage under the elements of the world of star worship! Have you decided to turn again to weak and beggarly elements where unto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe as do pagan astrologers, and as zodiacal signs again. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Brethren, may the grace of our Messiah Yah'shua be with your spirit, when you follow the Spirit of truth. Amen.
**WHY ARE THE WORDS **NEW MONTH** WRONGLY TRANSLATED **NEW MOON** SEVEN TIMES IN THE OT AND ONE TIME IN THE NT**??
**SAD**lup claims that Christians should adopt the Babylonian Moon Calendar and obey all the OT feasts according to the Babylonian Moon Calendar???
**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??
The Hebrew word for **MONTH** in the OT is always **CHODESH** and the Hebrew word for **MOON** is always **YAREACH**. However 7 times in the OT the words **NEW MONTH** are wrogly translated **NEW MOON** in Psalm 81:3, Isaiah 1:14; Isaiah 66:23; Ezekiel 46:1; Ezekiel 45:6; Hosea 5:7 and Amos 3:5:
For example in Isaiah 1:14: {The Lord said:} "Your **NEW MOON**{Should be **NEW MONTH**} feasts and your appointed feasts I hate with all My being!"
And in the New testament the words **NEW MONTH** is wrongly used one time in Colossians 2:16:; Do not let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard to a regious festival, a **NEW MOON** {Should be **NEW MONTH**} celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! The Greek word for **MOON** is **SELENE** but in Colossians 2:16 above the Greek word **NEOMENIA** is used which means **NEW MONTH**!!
The reason for these obviously wrong translations is that after the Babylonian exile the Jews wrongly adopted the Babylonian Moon calendar where a new month always starts on the first day of a **NEW MOON**.and the first Babylonian **MOON MONTH ** is called **NISAN**. Whereas God had commanded that.the first Bible month shall be called **ABIB** and is always on the first day of **SPRING** {ABIB means **SPRING**} which is always from sundown, March 20th to sundown, March 21st. And the 2nd Bible month is always 30 days later or sundown, April 19th to sundown, April 20th!! Whereas in the Babylonian Moon Calendar you have alternating 29-day and 30-day months since there is a **NEW MOON** every 29 1/2 days.
Actually before the Babylonian capture of Israel God commanded that the 1st day of the first Bible month was the first day of Abib which is always from sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st and after the Babylonian exile Israel sinfully adopted the evil Babylonian Moon Calendar and their evil first month of Nisan which is a calendar completely regulated by the moon and the first day of Nisan was the first day of the new moon instead of the first day of Abib which is always from sundown March 20th to sundown March 21st.
Numbers 28:16: {The Lord said} “On the 14th day of the **FIRST MONTH** the Lord’s Passover is to be held.” Exodus 12:6,7,12,13: “Take care of them {The Passover Lambs} until the 14th day of the month when all the people of Israel must slaughter them {See Lev 23:5} at Twilight {Just after sundown to nightfall on Passover Day! 1 Cor 5:7: “For Christ our PASSOVER LAMB has been sacrificed.” Whereas the Jews {who were following the evil Babylonian moon calendar} held their Passover on the 15th of Nisan {Which always occurs on the night of a full moon} and observed the Passover on the WRONG DAY as per John 18:28: “Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman Governor {Pilate}. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; for they wanted to be able to eat the PASSOVER!!” Which would have been the day “AFTER” Jesus correctly held the Passover on the 14th of ABIB {*THE FIRST BIBLE MONTH*} which God had commanded. So we can assume that the month of ABIB is different from the Babylonian moon month of Nisan and therefore has nothing to do with the moon.
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, in this day have been broken up all fountains of the great deep, and the net-work of the heavens hath been opened,
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Genesis 7:24 and the waters are mighty on the earth a hundred and fifty days
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Genesis 8:3-5 And turn back do the waters from off the earth, going on and returning; and the waters are lacking at the end of a hundred and fifty days.
And the ark resteth, in the seventh month, in the seventeenth day of the month, on mountains of Ararat;
and the waters have been going and becoming lacking till the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first of the month, appeared the heads of the mountains.
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These passages explicitly say the waters were strong for 150 days or 5 30-day months, and then marks out a 5 {30-day} month difference from the 17th of the second month to the 17th of the seventh month.
By comparing Rev 13:5 and Daniel 7:25 we know that 666 will rule the world for 42 months which is also time 12 months, times {24 months} amd 1/2 a time {6 months} which would be the exact same period of time. And by comparing Revelation 12:6 with Revelation 12:14 we know that Time {360 days} times {720 days] and 1/2 a time {180 days] and 1260 days is also the exact same period of time. And therefore 42 30-day Bible months are also 1260 days.
Revelation 13:5 The Beast {666} wilkl exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months . Which is also 1260 days!!
Amd so the OT and NT both have 30-day months!! And the first Bible Month shoud be called ABIB or Spring and is always sundown, March 20th to sundown March 21st and has absolutely nothing to do with the evil Babylonian Moon Calendar!!
I keep you and others like you in my prayers because I understand what it is like!!! I was so sad and confused that I would cry!
I wanted to love and please God and felt like I was missing it somehow.
