Everyone has been trying to talk to you about your behavior in the Bible Discussion Section. You refuse to listen saying you want us to use "the Living Word of God" to prove our points. Ask and you shall receive:
WOOW I agree, it’s truly amazing that prophetic actually took a cut and paste break to say something original
Nevertheless, I’m in the very awkward position of agreeing with prophetic on at least one point in his last post.
Please don’t misunderstand, I’m not trying to be coy or anything like that but fair is fair and I expect others to call me out as well when I contradict myself (or seem to contradict myself)
But you did post what he says you posted about Jesus not being God.
I think people like Richard, who are hasty to call other people liars, ought to make a thorough investigation before resorting to his childish ad hominem of name calling. Perhaps he might consider the fact the person may have misspoke or no longer holds to a particular position.
It would be far better to cite examples of inconsistencies, like Richard did in his last post, but he should ask the person to give an account instead of outright calling people liars
Obviously, Richard ISN'T the one to be charging people with “lying”
I disagree with prophetic Richard calling you a liar because he's too quick to label people. In addition to that, he sometimes accuses people of lying who were NOT lying!!
For example, Richard “prophetic”, falsely accused others, like Cupcakeme and Needs-a-Friend of lying and I intend to keep this false accusation business of Richard’s in the fire until he owes up to it and apologizes to those he’s falsely accused
Also, Richard obviously isn’t the one to challenge other people’s views about the diety of Jesus.
For example, Richard overlooks other passages that clearly indicate Jesus is equal with God. But he prefers to cite only verses ripped from contexts to claim Jesus is not co-equal with God based on a false hermeneutic of Jesus words, “the Father is greater than l”
But if Richard’s false hermeneutic (interpretation) allows him to assert Jesus as less than God the Father based on ”the Father is greater than l”, Richard must also have no hands because Jesus clearly says:
Matthew 5:30
And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
Using Richar’s false hermeneutic, he must also hate his father and mother and family because Jesus says,
Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
Thank you for the interjection. No worries about agreeing or not, that's why we are here; to discuss. (I ain't skeered)
You post;
"But you did post what he says you posted about Jesus not being God."
To be fair, prophetic7744's posts are so long that I only skim them and therefore don't know what he is quoting from me. That said, allow me to clarify:
Most people never stop to think when saying or hearing "Jesus is God" that there is a multitude of meanings to this phrase. Yet most people think everyone understands it the same way they do, so they never stop to ask; "What do you mean by that?"
This is where prophetic7744 comes in: To him everyone must interpret "Jesus is God" the same as him or they're satanic. Therein lies our differences.
I think I have made it very clear how I think Jesus is God and also clear that I don't necessarily buy into the Trinity paradigm. Additionally I believe this is not a tenet of salvation. Therefore a non-essential doctrine, unworthy for division in the body of Christ.
To me; salvation is found in believing and following Christ and doing his teachings.
I do not believe salvation is found in mental assertions about Jesus. Admittedly this is a starting point, but not the goal. Reference Matthew 7:21-23
"That Jesus is God is not a tenet of salvation. Therefore a non-essential doctrine."???
"To me; salvation is found in believing and following Christ and doing his teachings."
"The teachings of Jesus did not even make one change in the OT LAW!"???
Romans 3:21-25: But now a righteousness from God, **APART FROM THE LAW**, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes **THROUGH FAITH** in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by **HIS GRACE** through the **REDEMPTION** that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a **SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT**, **THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD**!!
Ephesians 2:6-19: For it is by grace you are saved, through **FAITH**---and this is **NOT** from yourselves, it is the **GIFT OF GOD**---not by works so that no one can boast. For we are **GOD'S HANDIWORK**, created in Christ Jesus to do **GOOD WORKS**, which God prepared in advance for us to do!!
Titus 2:11-14: For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say "No," to ungodliness and worldly passion and to live self-controlled **UPRIGHT AND GODLY LIVES** in this present age, while we wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our **GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR** Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to **REDEEM** and to purify Himself a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, **EAGER TO DO WHAT IS GOOD**!!
**SAD**lup does not believe that Jesus is God and that His blood atones for our sins for if Jesus was just a human being His blood could not make **ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS**!!
Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us **ALL**! {Both OT and NT SAINTS since the OT animal sacrifices could never take away sins!!!}
You quoted me about how one believes Jesus is God is not a tenet of Salvation. But then went off onto another topic of atonement and exclusively quoted Paul plus one Isaiah verse.
From reading you, I can pretty much assure you that when it comes to atonement; you only know the tip of the iceberg. It works for you, I'm okay with that. As a Gentile you probably don't need to know any more.
"To me; salvation is found in believing and following Christ and doing his teachings."
"The teachings of Jesus did not even make one change in the OT LAW!"???
**JESUS MADE MANY AMAZING AND TOUGHER CHANGES TO OLD TESTAMENT MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE LAWS**!!
Matthew 5:27,28,31,32 Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already **COOMMITTED ADULTERY** with her in his heart.
This would include pictures or videos of a woman on Television or the Internet or in pornography!!
Matthew 19::3-9: Some Pharisees came to Jesus to test Him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," Jesus replied, "That at the beginning the Creator made them male and female' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therfore what God has joined together, let no one separate." Why then the Pharisees asked, did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because **YOUR HEARTS WERE HARD**, but it was not this way from the beginning. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery!"
I the Old Testament you could divorce your wife for almost any reason by just giving her a certificate of divorce as per Deuteronomy 24:1,3. Actually it is almost impossible in the New Testament to divorce your wife if she is a believer, since Jesus also said in Matthew 18:22 that you should forgive your brother or wife not 7 times but 77 times which can also be translated 7 times 70 times!!
And according to I Corinthians 7:12-15 you can only divorce an unbelieving wife if she leaves you even though you have been a good husband.
I Corinthians 7:12,13,15: If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, **HE MUST NOT DIVORCE HER**. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, **SHE MUST NOT DIVORCE HIM**!... But if an unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances. God has called us to live in peace!
In the Old Testament King David had 8 wives and Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines??? But in the New Testament you can have only **ONE WIFE**!!As per I Corinthians 7:2; ! Timothy 3:2,12 and Titus 1:6.
While **SAD**lup teaches that Jesus didn't even make one change to OT Law????
"Matthew 19::3-9: Some Pharisees came to Jesus to test Him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," Jesus replied, ...."
Are you seeing it yet?????
"Haven't you read...."
Jesus is correcting the Pharisees using the Written Torah - the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
You were a missionary to Israel and you do not see this??????
It's about passing your wife around using legal loop holes - you can't remarry her after she becomes another's wife. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 mentions divorce but doesn't give instructions about divorce.
"In the Old Testament King David had 8 wives and Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines???"
Prophetic7744
I've explained this to you REPEATEDLY!
YOU are such an EVIL JERK for continuing to post this when you know the truth!
"In that event, you must appoint as king the one whom ADONAI your God will choose..........he is not to acquire many horses for himself or have the people return to Egypt to obtain more horses,.....Likewise, he is not to acquire many wives for himself,....."
