Author	Thread: Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19?
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 6 Dec, 2015 05:32 PM Did Jesus Christ reject the practices of Moses related to allowing divorce; and say there is only one legitimate reason which allows a person to obtain a divorce, marry another, and not commit adultery? a) yes b) no Matthew 19:3-8 "The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?" And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so." Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 9 Dec, 2015 11:26 PM Psalm 2:12 nshqu -br phn -ianph u*thabdu drk ki -ibor k*mot aph*u ashri kl chusi b*u Kiss-you purity lest he-is-being-angry and*you -are-perishing way that he-shall-consume as*little anger-of*him happy all-of ones-asking-refuge-of in*him Did you mean "purity?" 2 Corinthians 1:3 (English-NIV) Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort Who is Yahshua's God? Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 01:25 AM If there is only One God, and Christ is not God, then how can Christ die and pay for the sin of others? The Lamb of God, (John 1:29) who takes away the sin of the world, must be sinless. Christ cannot pay for the sin of others without being sinless. And if He be sinless, He must be God. Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 02:13 AM "But God commended His love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how the Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures." 1 Corinthians 15:3 Where is it written in the old testament that Christ would die for our sin? "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:1a-2 "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ�s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? (Psalm 2:7) And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? (2 Samuel 7:14) And again, when He bringeth in the firstborn into the word, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him." Hebrews 1:5-6 "I am the Lord: that is My name: and my glory I will not give to another," Isaiah 42:8 It sure does look like the speaker in Hebrews 1 is giving His glory to another, and in fact, commanding that His Son be worshiped. Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 02:15 AM "But God commended His love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how the Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures." 1 Corinthians 15:3 Where is it written in the old testament that Christ would die for our sin? "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:1a-2 "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ�s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 06:15 AM Quote "If there is only One God, and Christ is not God, then how can Christ die and pay for the sin of others? The Lamb of God, (John 1:29) who takes away the sin of the world, must be sinless. Christ cannot pay for the sin of others without being sinless. And if He be sinless, He must be God. " ========================== So by your reasoning, all of the animals that were sacrificed at the temple were God too? The Messiah was man. God is not a man. So it is written. Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 06:19 AM 2 Corinthians 1:3 (English-NIV) Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort Who is Yahshua's God? Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 09:23 AM You didn't address the question of Christ being sinless. We know that it says in Romans 3:23, "for all (all of mankind) have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.", and Galatians 3:22 and Isaiah 53:6 But it also clearly states that Christ was without sin. 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 How can that be? How is Christ, being only a man (in your opinion) sinless? Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 02:46 PM Let's just stick with the facts. Was Yahshua a man? Yes, as it is written. Was Yahshua tempted? Yes, as it is written. Is YHWH a man? No, as it is written. Cab YHWH be tempted? No, as it is written. How could Yahshua be a man and not sin? Is it not written that the the Father was working through him? Did Yahshua not call us to follow his example. Is it not written that if you say that "God is my Father", and you sin; that you are a liar, and the truth is not in you? That was easy. Anymore questions? Post Reply
God_is_my_Father View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 04:38 PM It seems you've totally ignored the reality of Romans 3:23 again. "for ALL HAVE sinned and come short of the glory of God." Any and all mere men are included in this statement which was inspired by God. That means no mere man IS sinless. Yes, man can choose to be in submission to God, and avoid sin, but mere men are ALL born in sin. It is part of what they inherit from Adam, as a son of Adam. "ALL we like sheep have gone astray," Not most, ALL. "We have turned EVERY ONE to his own way;" Every person who reaches the age of accountability chooses to sin. This includes every last mere human being. To say what could happen in the life of a mere mortal, is not to say what has actually happened. If Christ is a mere man, He HAS sinned, as He is part of ALL; He is in the group of EVERY ONE, and He HAS sinned. You're not suggesting God lied when He said ALL mere men have sinned, are you? Those are the facts. Post Reply
Hark View Profile History	Did Jesus reject Moses' reasons for divorce in Matthew 19? Posted : 10 Dec, 2015 07:58 PM I see the root of your confusion. It's the pagan doctrine of "original sin." It's a lie. Don't fall for it. It's a trick to get you to take sin lightly. Rom. 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Notice that sin wasn't passed onto all. It was death. Sinners choose sin. Deut. 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." 1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Post Reply

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