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Unborn Babies Don't Have Souls
Posted : 23 May, 2009 09:31 AM

The greatest fallacy in Christianity today which causes a great deal of strife amongst believers and non-believers is the erroneous belief that abortion is in fact murder. This is a fallacy and is not supported by any verse of scripture. In fact there are many verses that state otherwise.



I debate this with Christians regularly and their blindness to truth is intolerable. The inability of Christians to accept truth when it's very clear in the Bible, is disappointing.



First of all God is a Spirit (John 4:24). God is not a physical being. He does not have have a physical body.



Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



God is not a physical being so he did not have the ability to physically breath into Adam the "breath of life" This verse really means is God gave Adam the ability to breath oxygen through his nostrils.



Further proof of the "Breath of Life" simply referring to the oxygen we breath is in



Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.



Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.



Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land , died.



Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.



There's no doubt that "breath of life" referrers to the air we breath, not a literal event that took place.



In Ezekiel 37:8-10 we watch as God re-animates dead bones into living soldiers, but the passage makes the interesting note that they were not alive as persons until their first breath. Likewise, in Genesis 2:7, Adam had a human form and a vibrant new body but he only becomes a fully-alive human person after God makes him breathe.



It is neither a sin nor wrong to kill a living creature that does not have a soul. It's only a sin and murder when one kills a living and breathing human being. A living and breathing human being regardless of age has become a living soul.



A baby in the womb is a living creature without a soul. A baby does not breath oxygen (breath of life) until he/she has been birthed into the world and is breathing the air with his/her own lungs. While in the womb the baby receives oxygenated blood through the umbilical cord. The baby is living but is not yet a immortal being with an immortal soul.



Abortion is simply an induced miscarriage. The statistics state that 1 in 3 pregnancies end in a miscarriage. These miscarriages occur due to absolutely no fault of the mother. They happen for a wide variety of reasons and many miscarriages that occur can't be explained. But if you're a Christian and you believe God controls all things and you believe unborn babies have a soul, you'd also have to believe God is a murderer. If God allows a baby with a soul to die and he has the ability to prevent this but allows it anyway, that'd be no different then a mother inducing a miscarriage.



As an inferior creator God has given rights, responsibilities, abilities, and permission for 9 months to terminate the life we've created if we see fit to do so. This aligns itself with the doctrine of God. God as the supreme creator has the right to terminate his creation at will. He has this right as the supreme creator. We as an inferior creator have a limited period of 9 months to destroy our creation. At the time of birth when the baby starts breathing on his/her own, they become a living soul. The baby becomes an immortal person with an immortal soul. Our inferior creator rights have been expunged.



A baby didn't even have any value until a month of age.

LEVITICUS 27:6 And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. Likewise, in Numbers 3:15 a census was commanded, but the Jews were told only to count those one month old and above anything less, particularly a fetus, was not counted as a human person.

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Posted : 29 May, 2009 09:43 AM

My thanks to Lydia for her unity in spirit and encouraging Amens!

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Posted : 29 May, 2009 11:48 AM

Absolutely Unbelievable!!! I would love to make some comments...

But I seem to recall a verse that says "don't cast your pearls before swine". I guess that must be because some people are such masters at twisting the truth that it does absolutely no good no to try to show them the truth...And the truth is that I have absolutely no idea what to say to someone whose mind thinks like yours...



Fortunately there seem to be a lot of good souls here who are willing to pray for you..but it seems to me that the early church would have also rebuked you & disfellowshipped you, in the hope that you would see the error of your ways in time to repent...



But fortunately I dont think that your beliefs are very likely to lead anyone astray from the truth...They Are Absolutely Unbelievable!!!



Good Luck in your quest...

But I Rebuke You Mister.



But Yahshua Saves Souls...

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Posted : 29 May, 2009 03:02 PM

Sorry cattleman, I dont always play nice, and I just call it as I see it. And I dont care if a person *claims* to be a brother if his theology is so far off from orthodoxy that he belongs in a bible psych ward. I am not a smile smile to you your face kind of person. And I still dont see what the point of debating such difficult and heart wrenching issues on this type of website is. He is just causing a stir. I have seen people like this on a million christian sites and in christian chat rooms for years. there is no reasoning with them.



If a person is teaching something that is harmfull and incorrect, I am in under no obligation to be thier pal. That's how I am in real life, face to face, and its how I am on line.

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Posted : 30 May, 2009 08:50 AM

dear tristan,

your words

i dont always play nice.



mine here

2 timothy 2:24-26 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.



you dont have to follow the word of GOD.. you have a choice. will you choose to obey or will you choose to be disobedient? thats entirely up to you.

ole cattle

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Posted : 31 May, 2009 05:20 PM

I here ya Ole.

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Posted : 31 May, 2009 05:31 PM

Hi everyone,

This users profile has been deleted from CDFF.

Let us stand together in agreement to pray for this young man, that God would bring him to repentance, that he would be forgiven, and that he would know the Truth.



In Christ, Lydia

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Posted : 31 May, 2009 07:33 PM

After reading this and seeing that everyone seemed to have summed that all up well. I looked on the internet to see what was on there & decided to post this little clip which is in no way promoting mormans or latterday saints but, decided to post to show the church she was in was teaching other than the bible. My point here is that all of us are humans & sinfull or just missenterpret the true belieifs of Gods word & that we all need to test the spirits & know the true God ourselves. Do not trust the word or teachings of another human but, to have a true relationship with God & His son ourselves.







www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/learning-center-video-popup?mediaId=there-was-life-before-birth-1-56 - 8k

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Posted : 1 Jun, 2009 04:34 AM

dear tristan, youre alright man.

ole cattle

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Posted : 1 Jun, 2009 01:06 PM

Thanks Brother, meet ya at the gates.



You dont play the git fiddle do ya?

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Posted : 1 Jun, 2009 03:55 PM

dear tristan, at the gate man at the gate.. and naw i cant play a speck on any instrument.. only sing some.. ole cattle

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