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Admin	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 18 Mar, 2009 04:57 PM 1 Timothy 2:11,12 A woman must quietly recieve instruction with entire submissiveness.But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. Post Reply
KC_Mike View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 31 Dec, 2010 08:26 PM I think most MEN should take Paul's advice and remain SILENT in the church TOO. So, Paul doesn't allow a woman to Pastor. Many believe that Paul was not trying to establish a universal church doctrine. It's clear that Paul mentions 2 women specifically as "noteworthy among the Apostles" so there were women Apostles. An Apostle is someone that STARTS churches! The Jewish social culture was very different then and women did not have the respect that they do today. Women were not even allowed an education, let alone teach. Paul is simply giving his opinion about the infant church that was just born and thought it was best to avoid controversy and factions that women Pastors would have brought as the church grew. Today... Obviously God DOES use some women to Pastor today. It's evident. That's not to say that it's normative, but sometimes a man won't be obedient and God has to use an obedient woman to do the job! Post Reply
View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 7 Jan, 2011 08:56 PM I agree with you. Joyce is a blessing to many. The scripture is referring to women because back then many of the women were prostitutes. Paul didn't want any unclean words spoken in the church. I also agree that there are a lot of men who should remain silent in the church. Should a woman be an ordained pastor, I don't think so myself, but my pastors wife is ordained. She only preaches when he is there, never when her husband is not in attendance, as it should be. Joyce states in her books that she is not an ordained pastor, she is an anointed teacher. Post Reply
martytown View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 14 Feb, 2011 06:53 PM 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, �Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 3. 1 Timothy 2:8-15, �I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, was in the transgression. Notwithstanding, she shall be saved in child bearing if she continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.� So what we do in our church is to start singing, and then after the singing before the pastor preaches, we open in prayer, and every one knows, the above verses are in effect. we think that the women should be allowed to sing, and by not invoking the holy spirit in prayer, it lets them to be in obediance to the word. but that is how we handle it, in our church. best martin 30yrsic on utube Post Reply
Gabriel2004 View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 28 Mar, 2011 12:37 AM 1 Timothy 2:12 is not a blanket rule for all women of all churches. If it were, then the women could not speak at all, for the same verse that tells them not to teach also tells them to be silent. If all women had to keep silent in church, then that would be promoting disobedience to God, for they could not prophesy, pray, testify, sing, exhort, do personal work, or even get saved. Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Spirit will never contradict His own Word. This is the chief verse that is used to oppose women preaching and yet it says nothing about preaching, nor does it say anything about a public worship or church service. But, on the contrary, this verse is giving instructions to wives as to how they were to conduct themselves in regard to their husband. Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:35, "And if they will LEARN anything, let them ask their husbands at home." Now he states in 1 Tim. 2:12 that the woman should learn in silence, and should not usurp authority over the man. Paul is dealing with more of a home problem than a church problem. This verse still applies to us today. It is wrong for a woman to usurp authority over her husband (in church, home, or any place else) as was the case in Paul's day. She should not try to teach him or speak words that would cause discord and confusion, but should rather be silent and in subjection to her husband. It is also to be understood that if anyone, whether man or woman, is usurping authority over the God-given leadership of the church, she or he is to be silent, and not to teach, or act in such a way that would create discord in the assembly 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18). Paul was rather dealing with a particular problem in the church. Women were not educated as were the men in that day; therefore the women would talk back and forth to their husbands in church and ask questions concerning the sermon. Paul said, "If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." If they want to talk things over let them wait until they get home. This rule is still good for the church today, where people are talking and causing confusion in the church service. They should not speak in church. (Not in the back of the church either before or after services.) If a woman cannot speak in church, then she cannot speak in prayer meeting, young people's service, etc., for who can deny that Sunday School and Prayer meeting, and Youth work are parts of church? Christ's Church is not a building, but rather it is found where two or three are gathered together in His name, whether at a street meeting, in a tent, a home, church, classroom or anywhere else. The Bible has no gender specification of a preacher, neither a verse would support forbidding a woman to preach. Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Acts 10:34 - "...God is no respecter of persons 1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth...." Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.) Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9 DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel. God is a god of possibilities. He uses anyone in His own divine way. Courtesy by: Pastor Keith A. Smith Post Reply
View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 31 May, 2011 05:41 PM :waving: There is also the question of order. While the church I attend has many pastors, only TWO of them are women. One is in charge of teaching the women; the other is in charge of teaching the children (she works with a male pastor, though). I asked about this arrangement once. From what I was told, it was delegated authority. There is the verse in Titus about the older women teaching the younger women. Post Reply
TRUUST View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 19 Oct, 2011 02:18 PM THANK U Gabriel2004 FOR U NICE COMMENTS!! GOD BE WITH U!! GOD BLESS U ALLL!:angel::angel: VANI Post Reply
fire_storm777 View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 16 Nov, 2011 07:09 PM Why women shouldn't Pastor? You base your entire reasoning behind one verse of Scripture why a woman should not Pastor? I disagree with that bias concept...! If you read other passages throughout the Bible women in the Old and New Testaments were used by God equally. But the doctrines of men has subverted God's plan concerning using women. And today I am certain that God will use whoever yields to His Will and to His Word. I knew a lady Minister who touched countless lives in 37 countries with the Gospel and the love of Jesus Christ. And God used her as a Pastor, an Evangelist and in other capacities. Why? Because she yielded to His Will and to His Word. Post Reply
copasetic View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 31 Jan, 2012 07:58 AM I love this thread. Shows how much God needs to listen to us when we tell God what to do. Shame on God for changing the rules on us. No fair, God, stick to the rules, stop changing Your mind on us! it irritates us all-knowing humans and gets us all arguing and stuff, so cut it out! *grin* "The truly wise are able to admit their own ignorance" John Wesley once went to a meeting, where a woman was preaching, with the intent to shut her down, carrying much of the same sentinment in this thread (by some). When he got there, he saw the full room, and listened for a moment. He saw how the people were moved, and how her words were truel he felt she was indeed filled with the spirit, and pretty much commented that who was he to stand in the way of the will of God? In spite of this, he carried the same notion about women preaching, but admitted it was perhaps due to his own shortsightedness, but did NOT disrupt the meeting. I also recall a congregation where I was a paid soloist, who had a woman pastor, and fought it with all they had. But after 4 years of her nurturing spirit, (no she didn't ever preach about women's rights), it as time for her to move, and they fought to keep her another 4. Amazing how God can change people :) "Ignorance is the greatest evil we will ever face." -Dr. James Cone And life goes on...and God reminds us that yes, we are still wrong :) Post Reply
chaplainjames View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 13 Jun, 2012 01:50 AM Sorry to burst some bubbles,so let me say thishow big is God,his mercy,his grace,his ability to use woman in pastorial roles and leadership.After many yrs in ministry i have found it is woman who are truly the back bone of the Church.if the men were doing their job and taking their bible appointed positions,the woman wouldnt have to,but,if the men wont do it,God will use the woman.I have been in ministry many yrs and it never fails,anytime we hold a ministry event or project,there are 5 woman for evry 1 male.could it be the men have slipped away to the golf courses and fishing boats,football games and remotes,while the woman are moving forward in ministry?In the last days will pour my spirit out upon all flesh.either way,God is trying to save the lost,and if the men wont do it,he will and does use the woman.Praise God for Beth Moore/Joyce Myers/Paula White Post Reply
laurie1969 View Profile History	Why women shouldn't Pastor Posted : 30 Oct, 2013 08:23 PM Timothy was in Ephesus where the women were forbidden to study scripture. The false gods they worshiped resulted in sexual orgies. Paul was telling Timothy that the Ephesian woman should NOT hold a position of leadership not because they were women but because they were not as knowledgeable about apostolic doctrine. He also said that the men should not hold a place of position if they were new believers. You can't preach to a congregation without having experience in God's Holy Word! It would hurt the Church of Jesus Christ. He also noted several women who WERE teachers and were Christ's workers. Paul didn't want the Ephesian women to use their sexual attractiveness to lure men to God. Women should dress modestly at church simply because the purpose of going to church is to be close to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. We should not try to appeal to God sexually, we can't do it. Post Reply

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