Is this particular Scripture actually about Faith needing works,
in order to be genuine FAITH.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
George if your words had any merit, it would be different, but Jesus covered it well when he said to mark those that cause divisions and as I have said before you are marked as one full of strife and void of truth.
Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! I have Faith that Trucker George / POIC will be In-Lightened.....to the Understanding & Wisdom that the Scripture in its Context stating "Faith Without Works is DEAD"...is about FAITH IN ACTION/ Works...NOT Working to Get or Have Faith/Salvation......Sometimes Seeking Deeper Meanings to Simple Scripture is just Another Tactic the satan uses to Guide ya down another Dead End...xo
Meanie:
Jude had you any humility,you would have taken the Scriptures and investigated whether my posting was correct or not.
Yet you did not,you just ASSUMED that my post was wrong.
The Pharrisees also ASSUMED much about Yeshua.
I would have you to know that one of the enemies tactics,is to keep yourself and others from knowing the truth.
For had the Holy Spirit been empowering you,you would have been as a Berean,not as a sheeple being led to the slaughter.
Jude & James... even simple faith to believe unto salvation is a work within its self...
Meanie:
If you believe that you worked(rememeber FAITH is a work) to get into the Kingship of GOD,then you are still dead in your trespasses and sins.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
but as you pointed out James, Jesus did the total work on the cross, and the only work we do as pertaining to our salvation, for lack of a better word, is the work of BELIEVING and RECEIVING.And for some people believing and receving is a great work and this is why many have rejected Christ, beleiving and receiving is tooo hard of a work
And as Jude points out, there is nothing we can do as pertaining to works to get salvation, can't mow the lawn, or trim a thousand trees in a day to impress God to grant us His salvation, nor get circumcised as the Judiazers tried to say, was the way of salvation and to find favor with God... the only works of faith when it comes to salvation is the work of believing and receiving.
Ella:
So, PIOC again, the apostle James asks the question can a person say he/she has faith, and does not have works? Can his faith save him without any works? The answer is, there must be works of some kind, if faith is to accomplish its purpose and goal. Otherwise, your faith is dead and so are your works.Verse 20, points to this very thing, O vain man, will you not know that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD?
Meanie:
Ella,had the Holy Spirit empowered you to look into the Greek about this,you would have seen that someone other then James is talking here.
But again,real study in the Word of GOD is too much trouble for you.
Just continue reading your COMMIETERRIES,the blind leading the blind.
Ella,your understanding of Grace,FAITH and love is messed up.
I would not want you teaching anything to anyone where i fellowship.
Mat_13:52 And he said to them, `Because of this every scribe having been discipled in regard to the reign of the heavens, is like to a man, a householder, who doth bring forth out of his treasure things new and old.'
Did ANYONE even BOTHER to look at the evidence which
from the Greek i posted.
I doubt that VERY much!
Here is James 2:17-20
Is this statement true.Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
NO!
If this were true,what happens when believers are inactive.Hmmm
Greek word for dead is:Nekros
The Original Word: νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Short Definition: dead, a corpse
Definition: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.
3498 nekr�s (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") � dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.
3498 /nekr�s ("corpse-like") is used as a noun in certain contexts ("the dead"), especially when accompanied by the Greek definite article. The phrase, ek nekron ("from the dead"), lacks the Greek article to give the sense "from what is of death."
What is being asked is this.
Is faith without works a CORPSE.
Absolutely not.
Psalm 1:1-3
Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Ephesians 2:10
Eph 2:10 for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God before prepared that we should walk in them.
In do time Yeshua will reveal the faith HE has given to his people.
An unnamed person is talking to James:
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
The unnamed person speaks:
The Greek says:
Show me your faith without works,
I will show you from out of ME
Yea will say someone Thou faith have and i works have,
show you me the faith of you without the works and, i thee
will show from the works of me the faith
Notice this person ask to see James' faith that has NO WORKS.
This person says:
From the WORKS OF ME,'The Faith'
This person makes no mention of Yeshua,Grace,empowered of the Holy Spirit to Good works.
This person says because they have works,that they have faith.
Is this true.
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
This Scripture is saying that the DEMONS are being strengthened by this unnamed persons statements.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Yeah, ok POIC, sad to say but you don't have a clue as to what you are even reading from your concordance and/or Bible lexicon.
The apostle James has siad what faith is and wihtou works its means nothing, in order words its dead. What part of fait dont you understand? From waht you speak all of it, you are so in left field with your comments, repeating and disagreeing with your own self, and what God says whether He has spoken in the Greek Hebrew or Russian, faith remain the same, without works and one only says he/she has faith, it means not one thing of there are no works/furit/productivity, as Arch points out.
Maybe I should post what the word fruit and works and deed mean.:laugh:
I must have missed your posting of the Greek interpretation of what James is speaking in these passages, please re-post them prayerfully I will get it this time around.
POIC, my question is not off the topic, but then for you maybe it is becasue you don't spiritually understand what faith is all about...
Therefore, I leave you with this spritual food for thought... if you do not know how faith operates or the dynamics of faith, then its obvious you will not know that faith needs to be exercised... else how will you ever spiritually grow and mature to the different levels ... from faith to faith glory to glory?
