Thread: Who is the Woman in Rev 12 and Who are Her Offspring??
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Who is the Woman in Rev 12 and Who are Her Offspring??
Posted : 9 Jun, 2011 03:52 PM
WHO IS THE WOMAN OF REVELATION 12 AND WHO ARE HER OFFSPRING??
Galatians 4:22,23,28,30,31: Abraham had 2 sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the Free Woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a "PROMISE"!....You brother, like Isaac {Sarah's son}, are children of "PROMISE"....The slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the Free Woman's son. Therefore, brothers, **WE** are not children of the slave woman {Hagar} but of the Free "WOMAN"{Sarah}!! According to Galatians 3:16 Jesus is also the offspring of Abraham and Sarah {See Rev 12:5!!}
Just before the coming of 666 and the 1260-day or 42-month Great Tribulation in Revelation 13:1 we read in Rev 12:17; 13:1,5,7: Then the dragon:devil: {Satan} was enraged at the woman {Sarah} and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--THOSE WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!!" And the dragon {Satan} stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw Beast:devil: {666} coming out of the Sea {Or Abyss or Hell as per Rev 11:7 & 17:8 & Luke 8:31}.....The Beast:devil: will exercise his authority for 42 months..... He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and nation.
And so according to Rev 12:6,14 Satan will attack some of God's saints but they will be protected in God's sanctuary in the wilderness for 1260 days. Then in Rev 12:17 Satan will attack the rest of God's saints �WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS� **just before** the coming of 666 and the beginning of the 1260-day or 42-month Great Tribulation.
And so Revelation 12 also shows that the pre-trib rapture of God's courageous saints at the beginning of the Great Tribulation is a ridiculous fairy tale. Since some of God's saints will be protected in the wilds for 1260 days and Satan will make war with the rest of God's saints WHO OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND HOLD TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS JUST **BEFORE** THE COMING OF 666!!
Revelation 12:11: "They {The Tribulation Martyrs} overcame him {Satan} by the blood of the Lamb and by the Word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.":angel:
Who is the Woman in Rev 12 and Who are Her Offspring??
Posted : 10 Jun, 2011 10:25 PM
Halfback, this is in response to your question about no one writing on the wilderness on page 2 of this thread.
If you read Daniel's prophecy in chapter 9, it will show and make clearer Revelation chapter 12: verses 5-6. There is a break in time of the events from veres 5 & 6 of Revelation liitery being fulfilled, and it lets us know that God dealing with Israel the people and it is during this time God's work with Israel the people will be completed..
You must also understand that when Paul speaks about Israel he is not only speaking about the nation of Israel(the people), but he also is speaking about we, the Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ (the church) who are now partakers of the promise of Israel, and have become spiritual Israel becasue we have been adopted, grafted into the family and have become spiritual Israel, as Paul points out in Ephesians chapters 1- 2. And we as Gentiles have now received the spiritual blessings that was also promised to the people of Israel.
Paul points out in Ephesians chpater 2, that we as Gentiles were faroff, the Jews were given the promised blessings, but salvation brought us to Christ and now we are one with Israel in the promise. Jewish nation (Israel) had the blessing, and the Gentiles were without the spiritual blessing, but now as Christians we are partakers of the same blessings as Israel who received the blessing from God, and are now one in Christ spiritually.
Read Ephesians chapters 1- 2, it speaks about the people of Israel and we as Gentiles in Christ have been made spiritaul Israel which is the church, and Daniel chapter 9, will let you know more into Revelation chapter 12: verse 6.
There is the spiritual Israel which is the church, and the nation of Israel who are God's promised people.
Who is the Woman in Rev 12 and Who are Her Offspring??
Posted : 11 Jun, 2011 09:55 AM
Baharia is worried about the persecution by 666 and the discomfort of the Tribulation saints.
Even though God's courageous Tribulation saints will not be able to buy food and pay rent God will miraculously take care of them just as he miraculously fed and took care of Israel for 40 years in the Wilderness and the Great Tribulation lasts only 3 1/2 years. We are not to look forward to earthly luxuries but we should always look forward to our eternal home with Jesus where we will walk with Him on streets of God in the Heavenly New Jerusalem with its New heaven and New Earth.
God has promised that he will take care of our basic needs on earth in Matthew 6:31-33: Jesus says, "So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or what shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek FIRST His Kingdom and His Righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.!!"
I Peter 1:6-8:���In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED.��
I Peter 2:20b,21: �But if you suffer for doing good and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow IN HIS STEPS.� I Peter 4:12,13: �Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But REJOICE that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is *REVEALED!� Rev 2:10: Jesus says, �Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the Crown of Life.�{Read Revelation 13:9,10; 14:13; 21:1-5!!}
Who is the Woman in Rev 12 and Who are Her Offspring??
Posted : 11 Jun, 2011 11:08 AM
Hi Prophet,
You said: Baharia is worried about the persecution by 666 and the discomfort of the Tribulation saints.
Let me explain what I think:
The False Prophet will set up a system on how he and the Antichrist will try to get everyone to receive the mark of the beast on either their foreheads or their right hands. The verse then goes on to say how no one will be able to buy or sell anything without this mark. The verse also says that anyone who will not worship the Beast will be killed.
Let�s read about it:
�He (the false prophet) was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.� (Revelation 13:15-18)
God Himself says in the Book of Revelation that none of His people are to receive this mark of the beast. If they do, they will end up coming under His wrath that will be released upon the earth during the latter part of the Tribulation.
God then pronounces what is the most dire warning imaginable if any of His people receive this mark. He flat out says that in addition to suffering His wrath that will be poured out during these last days � that they will also end up in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone where the Antichrist, the False Prophet and Satan will eventually end up.
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, �If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation.
And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.�
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.� (Revelation 14:9-11)
My question: Do you think that millions of Christians (I do not know how many Christians dwell on the earth) (in all countries of the earth) will be martyred for their faith? Or may be those people who will dwell on earth after the rapture of the Church when the rest of people/unbelievers would be converted and embrace Christian faith? So, what I think that may be after the rapture of the Church, those who will convert (new Christians) will be tested and killed as a result of this mark acceptance. It is also possible that if there is going to be a Rapture, then the saints who will be persecuted will be the people that get saved after the Rapture occurs.
Next question: what is this war? Spiritual against believers? What do you think?
Rev 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Thank you for your responses and blessings! :waving:
Who is the Woman in Rev 12 and Who are Her Offspring??
Posted : 11 Jun, 2011 02:30 PM
There will be no pre-trib fairy tale rapture of the church saints before the Tribulation.
Revelation 13:9,10: He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints."
Revelation 12:17: They overcame him {Satan & 666} by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
