Author	Thread: Bishop TD Jakes
Admin	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 24 May, 2011 03:14 PM A little info on him for folks like me and Dennis. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. He's pastor of a mega church in Dallas Texas, with over 30,000 members ( ranked 10th largest church in USA). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. According to Jakes, "this ministry is not about prosperity as much as economic empowerment. The fact that it can be done in my skin color". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3. The ministry earns annually 21 million in donations alone. He has a staff of 250 that works like a well oiled corporate machine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4. Best known for his ministry of empowerment to the poor (especially women) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 5. Grammy award winner. Received Dove nominations for his Gospel Albums. Post Reply
View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 10:45 AM BTW, I agree..we can receive a message from God from anywhere or anyone or anything! :) Once I was watching a wasp!! Haha! Post Reply
View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 11:23 AM Beloved, I wish above all things that ( all of) you may prosper( have good financial wealth), and be in good (physical) health, even as your soul prosperous (be spiritually healthy in the things of God)... That's Bible!:glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 11:55 AM Browneyedgirl~ I soooooo want to hear the wasp story! Post Reply
View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 01:12 PM Hey Browneyed girl,YHWH has spoken with me while eating. About 4 years ago I was looking out the window of a restaurant, just watching the trees swaying while the wind was blowing them. The Holy Spirit brought this Scripture to my mind. The trees of the fields clap their hands. I then looked this up when i returned home . Isa 55:12 For you shall go out with joy and be led out with peace. The mountains and the hills shall break out into song before you, and all the trees of the field shall clap the hand. It is an awesome thing when the Holy Spirit brings the Word of GOD back to our rememberance, this is in accordance with the Word of Yeshua. John 16:12 `I have yet many things to say to you, but ye are not able to bear them now; John 16:13 and when He may come--the Spirit of truth--He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you; Just Tuesday Morning about 1:00am at work; I was aslo shown about being under the wings of GOD,as He showed this to me as a male was protecting the female goose was with her young. And there are some which do not believe the Holy Spirit is able to talk with us,even using the Word and our minds. Aloha Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 02:04 PM BEG The people that went definitely knew they had the gift of healing beforehand. I dont know about the setting of the classroom or the content of the curriculum. River Post Reply
View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 02:26 PM OH! Ok, gotcha! :) Thank You! :) Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 04:07 PM Two, you know I love you...but what do you mean when you say "some fall shorter than others" but that's why its important to know the Word ourselves so that we dont fall victim to someone elses schemes. We need to know the Word and have a relationship with the Godhead...or we'll be toast! Post Reply
View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 04:12 PM The fruit of a ministry is not signs, wonders and riches. The scripture's say many called Him "Lord" and did miracles in His Name, but He called them "evildoers." ~ "Not everyone who says to me, �Lord, Lord,� will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, �Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, �I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!� " Matthew 7:21-23 The fruit of a ministry is producing disciples of Christ that live righteously and in truth, laying down their lives for others. Mother Theresa is a much better example of fruit than most of these TV preachers. And please do not tell me I am judging because the the Lord tells us to test their fruits: Matthew 7:20~ Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. What is fruit? Something edible that grows in a righteous person's life, and you can test that fruit by seeing if that ministry is causes you to desire going deeper in Jesus, not the preacher-- and dying to self. Not getting more shtuff and having all of your prayers answered. Fruit takes time to grow and be healthy, under the right settings. I've seen way too many people fall because preachers fall, and that is not going deeper into Jesus. They idolize the man in the pulpit and defend his actions, no matter how sinful they are. Love the person, but keep your eyes open to their teachings and daily lifestyle. �But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.� ~Galatians 5:22 The gifts of the Spirit, on the other hand are given without recall and do not have to "grow" so they can deceive many people into thinking that person who manifest gifts, is a righteous man or woman of God. Not so according to Jesus, Who called them "evildoers." As far as "prospering?" This word has been abused too much by the word of faith movement. It's once thing to be able to eat, have a roof over your head and pay the bills, but another to be rich like a lot of these preachers who get 6 digit paychecks from the "tithes" which is not biblical at all. Jesus said it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle (entrance to a city back then) that a rich man to get into heaven. What is rich? I think gold toilets, Rolex watches, Mercedes Benz, personal jets and second houses is rich. If "prospering" means having a bunch of money, why did Jesus live modestly and Paul still make tents while he was a pastor over many churches? Cited from Clark's commentary~ I wish above all things - Περι παντων ευχομαι� Above all things I pray that thou mayest prosper, and be in health, και ὑγιαινειν� to which one MS. adds εν αληθεια, which gives it a different meaning, viz., that thou mayest be sound in the truth. The prayer of St. John for Caius includes three particulars: 1. Health of body; 2. Health of soul; and 3. Prosperity in secular affairs. That thou mayest Prosper and be in Health, as thy Soul Prospereth. These three things, so necessary to the comfort of life, every Christian may in a certain measure expect, and for them every Christian is authorized to pray; and we should have more of all three if we devoutly prayed for them. David Wilkerson was a man of God and his ministry proved it but the type of disciples it produced. He told them not to follow him, never begged for money or taught "prosperity." He publicly warned Christians about the error of prosperity teachers and how they would answer to God for following them. David dies suddenly in a car crash about a month ago and I felt in my spirit that things he had seen coming to America, would begin to happen, and they are. The storms in the South are just the beginning. If you support and follow the false teachers, you will answer to God. Don't be deceived, God is not mocked. BTW, I am pentecostal, but not supportive of any of the false pentecostal, hyper-faith preachers that have wounded and scattered the flock. I do not judge their souls, but I do judge their works or I would be deceived, still. I once was a follower because of people claiming "you can't judge." Partial truth there. Mega-churches cannot tend to the flock personally and I don't see them as a healthy setting for ALL of the congregation because some always fall through the cracks. I've been there and seen it first-hand. Small groups can attend to the flock, so if the church has that and the elders tend to the sheep, by visiting each and every one of them, at home, hospital, death in the family etc. -- then they are being the church we see in the book of Acts. Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!" declares the Lord "Therefore thus said the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit on you the evil of your doings, said the LORD." Jeremiah 23: 1-2 Therefore thus said the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit on you the evil of your doings, said the LORD. You drink the milk, wear the wool, and butcher the best animals, but you let your flocks starve. "Those who are sickly you have not strengthened, the diseased you have not healed, the broken you have not bound up, the scattered you have not brought back, nor have you sought for the lost; but with force and with severity you have dominated them. So my sheep have been scattered without a shepherd, and they are easy prey for any wild animal. They have wandered through all the mountains and all the hills, across the face of the earth, yet no one has gone to search for them. "Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: As surely as I live, says the Sovereign LORD, you abandoned my flock and left them to be attacked by every wild animal. And though you were my shepherds, you didn't search for my sheep when they were lost. You took care of yourselves and left the sheep to starve. This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock. I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them. I will be like a shepherd looking for his scattered flock. I will find my sheep and rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day. Ezekiel 34: 2-12 Post Reply
riveroflife1 View Profile History	Bishop TD Jakes Posted : 25 May, 2011 06:41 PM not sure why you guys are mentioning "signs and wonders", I initially mentioned his books, which was the start of my emotional healing years ago. The man has insight into the heart of a woman...must be a God thing. Thank God that He doesnt only choose the perfect humans to do His work. cuz it wouldnt get done. If he is not pleasing to God, He will be exposed and removed. james 4:11, 2 Cor 12:20 Post Reply

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