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Posted : 23 May, 2011 09:38 PM

Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing, or a belief that is not based on proof.



How can we have faith if we repeatedly disobey the word of god?



I have heard people talking, about "once in grace always in grace" or so they put it and I really don't understand where this comes from!



Doesn't the Parable of the Prodigal Son give the perfect example of one who has lost faith in the lord?



That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ

Isn't the trail of our faith, the way we lead our life born again?



I believe a battle is raging everyday with the enemy. The choices we make build or faith.. And no matter how much faith we think we have everyone could stand for allot more building.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:23 AM

bahira says:

















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Posted : 23 May, 2011 10:11 PM





Hi, thank you for post.



I like your thought:



The choices we make build or faith..







But foundation of our FAITH is God Jesus. His Personality



won our hearts and stengthen us and He is keeping us safe and saved. We are redeemed and our Redemption is Near. He is coming back to judge us!







We should be ready!





Where is there any Scripture that says 'A believer in Christ is going to be judged'.



I do not know about you bahira,but everyone of my sins Christ carried with Him to Calvary.

Every time is had sinned,have been sinning,and will sin,has already been carried in Christ to Calvary.



Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit.

Rom 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus set me free from the law of sin and of death.



I believe you need a better understanding of Christ,the Gospel.Grace,Justification by faith,Forgiveness and imputed righteousness.



If there is still a future judgement of GOD for sin upon the believer,then Christ died for nothing.



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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:30 AM

Bahira:



Again a bad understanding of Grace and forgiveness.



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Posted : 24 May, 2011 09:51 AM





Hi brother,







you said:







And so by what your saying there can be no back sliders?







We SHOULD NOT be backsliders! Because pinishment for sin is DEATH. God will judge us.



That's why He will decide if we should be written in the Book of Life or our sins erased our names from the Book of Life.







I do not have the tme to decipher this right now.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:30 AM

Well George she pretty much nailed you, the bible is true.



You forgot man's condition to:



Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit.



Rom 8:2 For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus set me free from the law of sin and of death.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:32 AM

Whether you commit 1 crime or 100 crimes, you are still your mother's child. She will still love you no matter. Its the same, byt even more so with God's Love. Being a Child of God means we go to Him anytime of the day, any day. He has no limit on how long we can talk to him. Being backslide only means that we've gotten away from our walk with God, it doesnt mean that God has gotten away from us. God said He would never leave us nor forsake us. Saying "once saved, always saved" doesnt mean that we will never sin again or disobey God's Word, it means that we are still sinners, but we're sinners saved by the grace of God, a God who loves us unconditionally. Jesus' blood cleansed ALL mankind's sin, all down thru the ages, but we still have to repent to have those sins truly washed away. But once God is your Father, He will be your Father. Just like the bad things you do as your mother's child, even so doing disobedient things against God still makes you His child. So, if you have truly asked the Lord Jesus to come into your life and take over it and God, the Heavenly Father has adopted you into His family, then no matter how many sins you commit you are still God's child. But He does want you to ask for forgiveness and then start your walk with Him, back on the right track. I mean, really, do you think that if you died on your way home to ask for forgiveness from your parents, do you think that your crime would matter anymore to them? As a Child of God, we have His mercy and grace with ALWAYS, NOTHING will ever change that.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:34 AM

@Phil:



You make no sense.

When will trust Christ,not faith.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:39 AM

That statement is very accurate George the word of God makes faith it never makes sense, I understand you believe otherwise, The father is not a mind he is a spirit and his word is also Spirit, and he operated by faith and he expects his children to live by faith. Faith does not come because you believe in Jesus.



Every thing Jesus did on the earth was an act of faith, and if an action was not of faith it would have been sin.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 11:44 AM

Sister hi,



let me quote you these words of our sister Ella said before where you will see that all people will be during the Judgement Day!!! Believers too! But some of them are sinners who cover their deeds to justify their crimes..and they are fake beleivers. those are goats. They are those who are in fact unbelievers.

Who will not get to the Kingdom of Heaven?

Those who commit these crimes I will list below and do not live a holy life! Why? Because God Jesus said it!



And He said to me, �It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.�



Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.





Matthew Chapter 25:31-46 - Shepherd Divides His Shepp From the Goats.



When The Son of man shall come in all his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit uppon the throne of his glory, and before him will be gathered all nations, and he will separate them one nation from another as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And he will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the KING (Christ) will say to those on his right hand, Come you are blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.



Jesus continues speaking and telling the sheep that they had done good deeds/works toward the poor and by doing so they aso did it unto him. The tell the goats who did nto do good deeds/work that becasue they did not feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked, give drink to the thrity, vist the sick, etec ad the others did, the also did not do these thing unto him.



THE REWARD OF THE SHEEP THOSE WHO BELIEVE..



They will be blessed of God and inherit the kingdom with Jesus Christ, bcause they gave the right response to Christ to receive salvation and the proper works/deeds after receiving salvation as Christians are taught. Jesus calls them his sheep, all christian believers become the flock of Jesus Christ.



THE RETRIBUTION OF THE GOATS



The unbelievers are referred to by God as goats, they did not give the proper response to Christ and rejected his invitation and the gift of grace unto salavtion. They also did not do the deeds/works that Christ commands all of us to do toward poor and needy people.



They are accursed/damned, and their punishment is eternal fire in hell with satan and all disobedient people who reject Christ. Ther response was rejecting Jesus and not helping the poor.



The Righteous who obey are known as Christ's sheep and have eternal life.



The goats who disobey are known as the accursed by God and heir eternal punishment is eternal fire in hell with their father satan.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 12:02 PM

Yes, I agree that those that this verse speaks of who will go to Hell, BUT, only if they have not repented of their sins and asked Jesus to come in to their heart and be Lord and Master of their life.





"And He said to me, �It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.�

(BTW, what is the scripture reference for the above verse)





When they have repented of their sins, then they are adopted into the Family of God, they are then a Child of God and NOTHING can take them away from God, not even Satan or the sins of this world. Yes, we need to repent of our sins or misgivings every day. We still sin, no matter what, whether its lying or even harsher, murder, but what not reading your Bible or praying or trusting God, those are sins also, and need to be forgiven, but just because we dont do them every day, doesnt mean that God's gonna leave us and forsake us. Jesus did tell us in Matthew 28:20," Lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 12:11 PM

1 john ch 1

If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of jesus christ his son cleanseth us from all sin.



1 john ch 2



He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.



goes on to say He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk, even as he walked.



EPHESIANS

5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the

kingdom of Christ and of God.



EXODUS

32:31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people

have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin�; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against

me, him will I blot out of my book.

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Posted : 24 May, 2011 12:15 PM

That is what I am saying, YOU can fall away from the LORD and if you do not repent.. YOU WILL die as a sinner...

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