God purposed to redeem a certain people and not others 1Chr 17:20-21; Mat 22:14; 1Pet 2:8-9 [see �God elects individuals to salvation�/God elects individuals to condemnation�]
It is for these in particular that Christ gave his life
Isa 53:10-11; Mat 1:21; John 6:35-40; John 10:3-4, 11, 14-15; Act 20:28; Eph 5:25 [we are commanded to love our wives in the same way that Christ loved the church and gave himself for it; therefore, if Christ loved and gave himself for all people in the same way, we are commanded to love all women in the same way that we love our wives]; Heb 2:17; Heb 9:15
It is for these in particular that Christ intercedes
John 17:1-2; John 17:6-12; John 17:20-21, 24-26; Rom 8:34
The people for whom Christ intercedes are the same as the people for whom he offered himself up as a sacrifice
Heb 7:24-27; Heb 9:12 [note context, in which entering into the holy place is explicitly for the purpose of intercession], 24-28 [For a fuller understanding of the indissoluble connection between sacrifice and intercession, read Hebrews chapters 7-10]
The atonement of Christ is effective
To justify
Isa 53:11 [the single effective cause of justification in view here is the bearing of iniquities; all whose iniquities Christ bore must be justified]; Rom 8:34 [the argument here is that the fact of Christ's death, resurrection, and intercession is in itself an incontrovertibly effective reason for non-condemnation; if this verse is true, then no one for whom Christ died and was raised to intercede may be condemned]
To redeem and cleanse from sins
Eph 5:25-27; Titus 2:14
To propitiate the Father
1John 2:2 [�propitiation� means �the turning away or appeasement of wrath�; therefore, by definition, the Father has no more wrath against those whose sins have been propitiated]; 1John 4:10
To raise to new life
2Cor 5:14-15 [the argument is a simple �if/then� proposition: �if� Christ died for someone, �then,� with no other conditions, that person died with him and was raised again]; 1Pet 3:18
[See also, �Jesus' death purchased for his people a new heart; � faith; � repentance�. Jesus died in order to establish the New Covenant (Mat. 26:26-29, etc.); the New Covenant promised faith, repentance and knowledge of God (Jer. 31:33-34, Ez. 36:26-27, etc.); therefore, Jesus died in order to provide faith, repentance, and knowledge of God, as the fulfillment of a unilateral promise. This means that his death had a definite purpose which was intended for some and not others. His death effectively purchased faith; not all have faith; and so his death had an effective intent that was limited to certain persons.] Those whom God purposed to redeem include all who believe John 3:16
From every nation
Rev 5:9
From every class
Gal 3:28; 1Tim 2:1-6 [the first �all men� is explicitly tied to all classes of men, which gives warrant for understanding the second �all men� in the same way]
Therefore, Christ's saving work is commonly spoken of in terms of �all,� �world,� etc.
John 1:29; Titus 2:11-14 [in the context of �all men� is the delimiting concept of a peculiar people, zealous of good works]; Heb 2:9-10 [notice that the many sons whom Christ brings to glory gives a contextual delimiter to the term �every�]; 2Pet 3:9 [note that this desire is explicitly limited to �us� (Peter was writing to fellow-believers) in the context]; 1John 2:2 [propitiation means �appeasement of wrath�; either Jesus appeases God's wrath against all, and therefore hell (which is the place where God's wrath resides) is non-existent; or the �whole world� means something different than �every individual who ever lived�. See John 11:51-52, and �The word 'world' is often used in the sense of 'many,' or 'all of a set'�]
The word �all� is often used to indicate all of a set, or even many representatives of a set
Mat 10:22; 1Cor 6:12; 1Cor 15:22; Mat 2:3; John 4:29; Act 10:39; Act 17:21; Act 21:28; Act 26:4
Or, to indicate all �classes� or �nations,� not all individuals
Mat 5:11; Act 2:17; Act 10:12
The word �world� is often used in the sense of �many,� or �all of a set�
Luk 2:1-2; John 6:33; John 12:19; Act 19:27; Rom 1:8
Additional reasons that the atonement of Christ is not for all the sins of all people
God punishes people in hell, which would be unjust if their sins were atoned for
Mark 9:43-44
If one were to say, �their sins are atoned for, but that atonement is not applied because of unbelief,� he fails to realize that unbelief is likewise a sin
Heb 3:12 [�The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for either: 1) All the sins of all men; 2) All the sins of some men; or 3) Some of the sins of all men. In which case it may be said: 1) If the last be true all men have some sins to answer for, and so none are saved; 2) That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth; 3) But if the first is the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins? You answer, Because of unbelief. I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!� � John Owen, The Death of Death in the Death of Christ]
God bears eternal wrath against people, which by definition means that his wrath against them has not been propitiated [appeased]
Thanks for the encouraging message,i appreciate you so much.
Let me look at what you had written.
Who did Jesus Die for........?
Posted : 21 May, 2011 10:17 PM
Phillip says:
George you like to fellowship with Calvin on that horse.
POIC:
I do not like to be around those that think that they have things all figured out.
I would rather be with those that the worlds calls 'The rejects from society.
I find the rejects to be real people not artificial,or phony.
They will tell you the truth,and recieve truth from you as well.
Phil says:
The father does all he does by faith, he is his children's example of faith and also to the world.
POIC:
Phil where in all of the Scriptures and creation does it state that the Sovereign GOD of all creation needs faith to be doing anything.
Could you give me one verse,just one.
Phil says:
When it comes to who did Jesus die for he died for all just like he said.
Because the price was paid in full for all, faith sees all of mankind saved.
POIC:
Phil,you and many others in the Health and wealth theory are sadly mistaken to believe that your puny amount of faith is able to override the Sovereign Will and Word of GOD.
GOD does all according to his Will and good pleasure.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isa 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Phil says:
You can rest assured all are drawn, and anything that look yes will get man in the family of God.
POIC:
The Word of YHWH says:
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Phil says:
Now George, don't say anything because you will will sin when you open your mouth.
POIC says:
Phil,i happen to be worse than i will ever know in this life.
That is why i need Christ.
Alas,you seem to be a self diluted,deceived man thinking that your faith is able to move the hand of GOD,and make Him change His mind about what He has said He is going to do within his Word.
