God rejected Esau before he was born, because God knew Esau would sell his birth right for a bowl of soup. Esau showed himself not worthy of the inheritance that was suppose to be his as the first born son, and God knew Esau would be stubborn and hard-headed. Remember, God knows the beginning before the end , and the end before the beginning, so He knew what would take place and made a sound choice before Esau was born.
We are also told that Esau was not a responsible person and was not a fighter and he despised the importance of his birth rights, and God couldn't have this, because He had already set His plans in motion through His promise to Abraham. And God knew He would not be able to trust Esau with carrying out His plans. Esau took what God considered sacred and made it a common thing which was of no interest to him by selling his first born birth right for a bowl of soup just because he was too tired to cook his own supper.
Jacob was tough and took his work more sincere than Esau. Jacob and Esau fought even in the womb becasue they were twins. Esau was focused on himself, selfiish and more concerned about feeding his face than the blessings of his hard work and his being the oldest child and his first born rights that he sold out to Jacob. Hebrews chapter 12.
God knew before their birth that Jacob would be a fighter and be first, because he took hold of Esau's heels in the womb just before they were being born, and God knew then, He could trust Jacob to fight for his rights even if Jacob was a lair and a cheater, but Jacob took his work sincere and offered up a more honorable blessing to the Lord than Esau.
God says He loved Jacob but hated Esau. He did not hate Esau in the sense of the meaning of the word the way we understand hate with emtional hate, God hated Esau as in disappinted and disguted with Esau, because Esau did not take his first born birth right serious and was a complainer and self-centered, and sold his rightful place to the inheritance for soup, then wanted Jacob to sell it back to him after he had eaten and realized what he had done. Consequences of disobedience , self-centered and selfish people
God made a choice to adopt Jacob as the first born to inherit the first born rights, and not Esau because of what Esau did therefore, God blessed Jacob with the promised blessing , and not Esau. Just as God has chosen to adpot and blessed the Gentiles with the promised blessings of the Christ, although the promise was to the Jews first, but they have rejected the Christ, now we are apart of the inheritance with Israel becaseu we have recieved the Christ as the Son of God in the flesh unto salvation. The first will be last and the last will be first. The older will serve the younger...
Read the story with understanding Genesis chapters 25-36; Romans chapter 9; Hebrews chapter 12.
a pastor teaches the Word of truth for years & years then suddenly teaches that Christ is not God thereby is in lock step with what paul said 2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
"fall's away from the truth" ignores the rebuke found in
matthew 18
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican
& then despite being cast out from the pulpit continues to denies Christs divinity -- even teaching the heretical doctrine to family friends & associates til the day The LORD call's him home
what will happen to him will he still aquire the Kingdom of Heaven or be cast into utter darkness??
"Some people even go so far as to say this applies to you and every individual, that God either Loves or Hates you before you were born and there is nothing you can do about it."
When I really sat down and read that, I started to wonder, is this why some people struggle so much even when they try to do their best, while others go around being tricksters and things work out well for them? Just a thought.
I love God just as much as I imagine you do. I've been able to accept everything I read in the bible. Every miracle, every sign, wonder, everything.
Out of everything, this Jacob, Esau thing has pierced my heart like none other.
I used to get angry when I saw how Rachel treated Jacob better than Esau. It made me incredibly sad.
But when I read that God rejected Esau, it stopped me in my tracks.
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WHY DID GOD REJECT???...
Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 07:58 PM
Good question! God has chosen a people for Himself, a remnant out of all mankind.
God has the right to do with His creation as He pleases.
The section you are reading that verse from goes on to say:
"What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy"
I think the amazing thing is not that he rejected Esau, but that He CHOSE to love Jacob!!
We are ALL sinners, who DESERVE HELL.
God KNEW that Jacob would sin against Him, and yet he endured it, and chose to save Jacob anyway.
If God would have saved no one, then He would still be just.
God COULD have decided to save everyone, and Jesus' death on the cross COULD have been for everyone, but God decided to save SOME. Now that "some" is perhaps a billion people.
God rejected Esau, because He chose to. We don't know why God has shown mercy to one person and not another.
All we know for certain is, it is NOT because He saw they would have faith, etc.
Because Romans 9 tells us that it was BEFORE the twins had done anything good or bad. And that is was only because of God's choice."
This is the scary part to me. You're definitely not God, lol but it's like you having twins and saying I choose Timmy and I reject Tommy while they're still in your wife's womb. That just makes me wonder if I've been rejected, or my brother's been rejected or whomever. How do we know?
i guess my "hypothetic scenerio" challenge a couple posts above went over like a fiery led ballon -- that's ok i got some laundry to do yipee !! :applause::applause:
ET - God made a choice to adopt Jacob as the first born to inherit the first born rights, and not Esau because of what Esau did therefore, God blessed Jacob with the promised blessing , and not Esau
Ryan - Your whole post made it about the different works which is exactly what it's not about
11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad�in order that God�s purpose of election might continue, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS BUT BECAUSE OF HIM WHO CALLS
(The reason given is so that God's purpose in election would continue, not because He foresaw anything from Jacob or Esau. I believe that is clear from the text)
PJ - Have you ever noticed only the Calvinist have it right, Jesus and his are wrong according to Calvin.
Ryan - Do you ever grow tired of making statements like this? For you to believe you are right, you must believe Calvinists are all wrong. Stop being hypocritical.
