Thread: The Revelation of : 'My Way is the Only Way'
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The Revelation of : 'My Way is the Only Way'
Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 10:02 AM
What does it reveal when a person says or has the attitude 'My way is the only way'. The Catholics, Calvinists, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and the Muslims say you are at risk of going to hell if you don't believe as them, with the exception on the Muslims, they will do their best to send you to hell.
Now a observant reader might say, 'Hey, hold on, don't we who profess Jesus as the only way do the same thing?'....Did Jesus say "My way is the only way"?...No. Jesus said 'I AM the way'....No one comes to the Father except through me. Therefore it is important that we preach Jesus, not doctrine; my way isn't the way, Jesus IS the way.
This is where the world sees its chance to be more Godly than God by being fair, equal and tolerant to all by professing there are many paths to God. To this I must agree, however every path to God goes through Jesus.
So to answer the question: What does it reveal when a person says 'My way is the only way'? To me it reveals they are not focused on Jesus who said "I AM the way"
Ryan, I have never heard put the person of Jesus first. You and James, (esp James) preach predominantly doctrine rather than Jesus. If you did, you might find me agreeing with you.....exactly what the topic of this post is all about.
Two - Ryan, I have never heard put the person of Jesus first. You and James, (esp James) preach predominantly doctrine rather than Jesus. If you did, you might find me agreeing with you.....exactly what the topic of this post is all about.
Ryan - Teaching what I believe Jesus is teaching is not a matter of putting the teaching before the teacher. It is simply a matter of defending the teacher's teaching. You seem to not be able to handle the scriptures on the issue so you attack the person saying they don't preach Christ as the way. If you can show how I don't preach Christ as the way, I'd love to see it.
PJ - You left the other verses, gee golly. I wonder why.
LSU, since you really think not being able to handle verses is the problem? I must be missing something, not one of your verses says anything other than it is God who seeks out and draws man to Him, it is God who saves, not us, for our mind is set on the flesh.
But here is where you go beyond Scripture, where you go astray: None of the verses you posted say that a man must first be chosen before birth as one of the elect, then because he was chosen he is born again, regenetate and then shown irresistible grace and therefore comes to Jesus and saved.
Your verses do nothing else except describe the nature of God, the nature of man and the working of the Holy Spirit.
The nature of God because He comes seeking to save man
The nature of man because his mind is set on the flesh and cannot submit to God
The working of the Holy Spirit because this is how God woos and draws man.
Ryan, give me a break, I don't treat you like a child, I would appreciate if you didn't act like one.
The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic
Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 03:05 PM
James not today or on any day have you supported scripture you have and do always oppose scripture truth, you oppose the very fact that thy word is truth because you treat it as an opinion.
The bible from cover to cover is based on man having the responsibility to hear what the word of God says and to believe what he hears from the word of God and the act accordingly, and this truth is relative to whatever spiritual state man is in at the time of hearing the word of God.
Now let us look at one of the verse you continually try to build upon the false doctrine of Calvinism:
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father�s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
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James we all know you like to promote a couple verses here as in your doctrine, but you have no means to call your verses only as true.
This context speaks of Jesus again as the bread of life for the world, but you deny that truth, but we have it covered James for in context, notice verse 35, it is he that cometh to me and he that believeth on me. before your scripture Jesus spoke of he that cometh to me, very interesting.
verse thirty six answers another question you refuse to acknowledge, the ones that believe not.
verse 40 tells us who the father has given him, he that believeth on him.
verse 45 all are taught of God but it is those that hear and have been taught that cometh to me.
verse 47 again it is confirmed again him that believeth,
Who is drawn James, it is he that cometh to the lord and believeth on him
How many times James does Jesus say he that believeth on me.
I fully understand why reformed theology claims man can not believe, but my faith is in the one that says he that believeth.
Now James two witnesses establishes a bible truth let us look at The sweetest verse in the bible:
Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
You can put your definition to world all you want for we are back to he that believeth, hath life.
We can list at least another ten scriptures that say the same thing. I am going to list another scripture you say is not true.
1st Tim 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
10:12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is
written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Here again you will find it is hearing, believing and then doing, buy the way this is the apostles doctrine how one can be saved
James in Eph 2:8 faith is not the gift, faith is described in just this
Two - But here is where you go beyond Scripture, where you go astray: None of the verses you posted say that a man must first be chosen before birth as one of the elect
Ryan - That would be because I was giving scriptures that teach total depravity, not election.
Two - Your verses do nothing else except describe the nature of God, the nature of man and the working of the Holy Spirit.
Ryan - And that my friend, is enough :)
Two - The nature of man because his mind is set on the flesh and cannot submit to God
Ryan - Correct
Two - Ryan, give me a break, I don't treat you like a child, I would appreciate if you didn't act like one.
Ryan - Actually you very often do. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are acting like a child. In fact if I were older, you would probably use different phrases to describe me, but since I am young it's the easy thing to do.
Actually Ryan, you err again by assuming. I really have no idea how old you are except by your pic.
If you are posting on total depravity you need a verse that doesn't exist. I agree man is depraved, so depraved that on his own he would or could not seek God. But here is where your problem comes in : Man is not on his own, God is seeking man, drawing man with His spirit. You say that because man is literally spiritually dead he cannot respond to the Holy Spirit without first being born again. Sorry, there is no Scripture for this unless you misinterpret what Jesus says to Nicodemus and misinterpret the word 'dead' as literally spiritually dead instead of as I have proven by Scripture in previous thread figuratively spiritually dead.
Ryan the teaching of Scripture is man cannot come to God on his own, that is the total depravity of man. However some extremists want to say man cannot be drawn by God unless he is born again first. This is where the verses you posted fail you.
Two - . I agree man is depraved, so depraved that on his own he would or could not seek God.
Man is not on his own, God is seeking man, drawing man with His spirit.
Ryan - Show where He is doing this for everyone that ever lived.
Two - You say that because man is literally spiritually dead he cannot respond to the Holy Spirit without first being born again
Ryan - No I say that man cannot respond in faith without the Holy Spirit drawing to begin with. I am not saying that the Spirit is out there begging men that cannot come.
Actually we do not teach that man cannot be drawn by God unless something else happens. We have consistently say God draws who He will and everyone He draws actually comes.
