Author	Thread: The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic
Admin	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 12:49 PM I have noticed a number of people posting basically saying 'I can post more Bible verses that support my view than you can to support your view; so I am right and you are wrong' I have been speechless concerning this line of thought until now. All the Bible is true, every verse. One cannot add up verses that support a supposed truth and the verses that oppose a supposed truth to conclude which is the correct truth. Bible truth is not determined by a democracy of verses or adherents to a particular view! If there are verses that support a supposed truth, that are in conflict with another supposed truth supported by other verses, of this you can be certain : Either both supposed truths are in error or they are both correct and the supposed conflict is in error. I wish people would stop trying to prove their point, and instead search out the truth together. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:42 PM That's my point, so why the love affair with that one word? Anyway, not pointless because as I go on to explain, John 3:16 does not say.... well just look a few posts up. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 01:47 PM Ryan wrote - "Alrighty, so James redefines 'whosoever'. You harp on that word. That word is not found in scripture. I don't understand why you are so high on that word when it is not even found in the original language. It means anyone believing or everyone who believes in Christ. John 3:16 say that Christ died for anyone who believes. It does not say that He died for whosoever wills him/herself to belief. You can't just add that to the text because that's what you want it to say." Ryan, It was James who brought up 'whosoever' in his rant on page one. And it was James who put words into our mouths when he said "They have actually pointed to the word "whosoever" and tell me that means "everyone has the ability"!" I have never said that. You should know by now that James likes to accuse us of saying things we never say. It's how he argues best. With himself. As to the word 'whosoever' being in Scripture or not, it's in my Bible. Are you going to say you have the pure written Word of God and I don't? Regardless, it still shares the same meaning as whoever or whatever person. And yes, it means that whoever or whatever person [not elect, but whoever] believes in Christ will have everlasting life. I've added nothing. It is the Calvinist that takes that verse and applies it only to the Calvinistic elect. Ryan wrote - "You can say John 3:16 mean God gave love the world in this way, He sent His son so that everyone believing in Him would have eternal life. To somehow conclude that the verse says anything about man and him having a will to come to Christ is just adding to the text what is not there. Surely you can see this." What is your definition of the "world" in John 3:16, Ryan? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 02:48 PM No I'm saying as I already say that the word whosoever is not in the original language and people use it to claim that anyone can will themselves to Christ when it does not say that. Saved - And yes, it means that whoever or whatever person [not elect, but whoever] believes in Christ will have everlasting life. Ryan - Yes it says whoever believes in Christ will have everlasting life. However you and others have said that it shows that man has the power to do that himself. The verse says this nowhere, so yes you have added to scripture and yes John 3:16 is far from refuting anything in reformed theology. Saved - What is your definition of the "world" in John 3:16, Ryan? Ryan - This would about sum it up http://www.ccwonline.org/append3.html Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 03:10 PM Ryan wrote - "Yes it says whoever believes in Christ will have everlasting life. However you and others have said that it shows that man has the power to do that himself. The verse says this nowhere, so yes you have added to scripture and yes John 3:16 is far from refuting anything in reformed theology." I have never said John 3:16 "shows that man has the power" to believe. My argument with Calvinists over John 3:16 is that they redefine the word "world", that God so loved, to make it mean elect. It could not possibly include anyone other than elect. Is that not adding to Scripture? Are you not taking a word out of that verse and inserting your own word so that you can say God so loved the elect instead of God so loved the world? Ryan wrote - "This would about sum it up http://www.ccwonline.org/append3.html" You can't speak for yourself either? I'm not going to read a lengthy article just to hope to understand what your definition of world is. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 03:25 PM Saved - I have never said John 3:16 "shows that man has the power" to believe. My argument with Calvinists over John 3:16 is that they redefine the word "world Ryan - I apologize then. It has been used by others here and several point to John 3:16 whenever they are attempting to refute someone of reformed theology. Saved - that God so loved, to make it mean elect. It could not possibly include anyone other than elect. Is that not adding to Scripture? Ryan - I have never said that John 3:16 specifically says Jesus died for the elect. However it certainly if far from contradicting it. Saved - You can't speak for yourself either? I'm not going to read a lengthy article just to hope to understand what your definition of world is. Ryan - I can speak for myself. You asked as if you really were concerned with the answer. So I just assumed you were. Now you cannot say you weren't given an answer. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 03:39 PM I am interested in your answer, Ryan. I just don't like reading through articles to find it. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 03:42 PM To be honest, it's a simple matter but it is not a simple matter and the article could explain far better than I. So anyway it's there if you want it. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 03:45 PM ET wrote: My little children, these things I write to you, that you do not sin. But if any person does sin, we have an advoctae (one who will interceed for us) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the PROPITIATION (atoning sacrifice) FOR OUR SINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR OUR SINS, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." I John chapter 2 James will you please explain this passages? There is no need for any other scriptures, just explain what John is speaking about in these two verses. James replies: This was written TO Christians. "MY...little children.....I write to YOU..." Jesus is the sacrifice for our sins, and not just we here in Jerusalem, but for people ALL OVER the world. God suddenly was going to save people not just near the temple, but from all over the planet. This was a TOTALLY new idea and had to be taught. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 03:54 PM It is a FACT that MORE THAN ONE person on this discussion group use John 3:16 to say that everyone on the planet had the ABILITY to come to Jesus and repent and believe in Him. I CAN go back and find the PERSONS who said it and repost it here. They pointed to the word "whosoever" and said, "see everyone can believe in Jesus." The word whosoever, means anyone. It does not mean even one person has the ability. This is making an incorrect inference from a verse. Notice not one person one this group deals with this! They just complain, and change the subject. For James so like to build houses, that WHOSOEVER on CDFF who will give him TEN MILLION DOLLARS, will have a house built for them by James. THERE.......now HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY??? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Interpretation of Bible Truth is Not Democratic Posted : 10 Apr, 2011 06:25 PM By the way James it does mean they have the ability, Just thought you would want to know. Post Reply

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