Thread: Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
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Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 05:08 AM
There are some brothers among us who interpret the Bible in light of their Doctrine. They would have you believe Ephesians 2:1 ("...you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live....") means the spirit of man is literally dead, (though it is hard to imagine how a person could live without a spirit).
I feel the word dead is meant figuratively, meaning the spirit of man without the help of the Holy Spirit is dead to spiritual things and ultimately condemned to death.
But don't take my word for it or let preconceived doctrine determine what the word 'dead' means in relation to mans spirit.
Rather let's let the Bible show us how to interpret the word 'dead' in the Ephesians verse :
Isaiah 57:16 " I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me....."
Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward....?"
1Corinthians 2:11 "For who among men knows" the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him?
So in light of what the Bible has to say on the spirit of man, what do you think, is the spirit of man literally dead or figuratively dead?
Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:02 PM
ok 2sparrow, I see what you're saying, but hwen you stated that my two posts were diametrically opposed, I took it to mean that they are in opposition and contradiction of each other. But what you were saying is that they were opposite of what Calvinist teach.
No one can beome spiritually alive until AFTER they have repented of their sins and received and accepted Christ into their life, This is when the Holy Spirit comes in and makes us ALIVE to the spiritual things of God, and this is what is meant by being quickened (made alive)
When we were sinners, we were is spiritually dead, dull, lives in darkness, blind, spiritually separated from God and opposed the spiritual things of God. But when the person hears the gospel, and God convicts the person of their sins, they repent, and are made aware of their need for Jesus Christ, they become dead to sin and alive in Christ..
We are then no longer spiritually dead, living in darkness dull of hearing the voice of God.
Just wodnering what you meant by the usages of the term...
Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:13 PM
James posted: It is obvious that you don't believe that when fallen mankind is described as "dead" that doesn't mean anything pertaining to the ability of man to choose God.
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Obviously you are in error again, I have never said this.
James if you can't deal truthfully with what I post, why would you expect anyone to take you serious when discussing Scripture?
Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 08:32 AM
ET said:
No one can beome spiritually alive until AFTER they have repented of their sins and received and accepted Christ into their life, This is when the Holy Spirit comes in and makes us ALIVE to the spiritual things of God, and this is what is meant by being quickened (made alive)
James replies:
Not only have you been shown Scriptures that contradict what you just said, but THERE ARE NO SCRIPTURES THAT TEACH THIS.
Spirit of Man : Literally Dead or Figuratively Dead?
Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 10:07 AM
Thank 2sparrow.
James when you have finished READING the book of AActs then you come back and we can discuss. Its very obvious that you are not reading, instead you search out scriptures that you think support your Calvinist doctrne for argument and not for spiritiual insight for learning.
READ the book of Acts then I will discuss with you. I given out not only scriptures but books that should eb read for full understanding, and you have read them nor can you explain in detail the meaning of the scrioture you post as proof of anything ... posting scriptures doesn't mean you understand what God is syaing in that passage.
Get your Bible and not tablet, and pencil or pen ready for Bible study class 101 on Monday. We will start in the book of Matthew, if you ahven;t read chapter one, don't expect me to answer or take any of your questions.
I was taught as a child growing up, and I will again pass this on to all of you this just mgiht help someone to know that you can't filierbuster or fake knowing the word of God. Holy Spirit ain't gone lie for you or with you. You either know God's word in your spirit and heart and have experienced the scriptures in your life first hand, or you have not and you're just speaking only what you've been taught or quick read online. as Jesus says, they honor me with their mouths but their hearts are far from me...
I was taight that when in a discussion or in any matter, a person can telll if you really know what you're talking about, and how much you know on a subject by the questions you ask, and the response you give...
