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Admin	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 5 Apr, 2011 04:35 PM Curious? What is the obvious truth that most Calvinists will not admit? Even though it is blatantly obvious. Although you may find a honest Calvinist who will admit this truth. They are rare, for once they reach this level of honesty, they become a endangered species. Do you think James or Ryan could be such men? Shall we find out? Here is the obvious truth that only a indoctrinated Calvinist cannot see : *Calvinism is a commentary on the Gospel* The ramifications of this simple truth should be self apparent. Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 12:59 PM Calvin's Doctrine is a mans Interpetation of the Word presented as Doctrine...where in the Bible does the Word [ Jesus ] say to Follow & Believe the 5 Points of Calvins Doctrine or the Doctrines of Grace ???...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 01:14 PM Jude, if one followed Calvin you would have a point. Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 02:06 PM That is the Point...some persons here Will Say they Dont Follow Calvins Doctrine...but thats all they Profess & want to Discuss and Post and in the Process they Put Down ALL Others that Dont Hold to Agree with it or Accept it....Articles written about what Calvin Said or Believed...or the Complete Opposite to make Thier Point...Where is Christ Jesus in that ???...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:00 PM Jude wrote - "That is the Point...some persons here Will Say they Dont Follow Calvins Doctrine...but thats all they Profess & want to Discuss and Post and in the Process they Put Down ALL Others that Dont Hold to Agree with it or Accept it....Articles written about what Calvin Said or Believed...or the Complete Opposite to make Thier Point...Where is Christ Jesus in that ???...xo " Right. The 5 points of Calvinism, regardless of who coined the phrase, are continually brought up here. James' belief is attached to those 5 points or its acronym T.U.L.I.P., and he continually argues each of those points. So yeah... he follows Calvin's Doctrine. Furthermore, IF I'm lucky enough to get a reply to questions or verses that I present to James, more times than not it is with yet another article written by a Calvinist. James rarely speaks for himself, but speaks through the articles that he pastes here, or in other words, those articles speak for him. Given all that, one really has no other option than to come to the conclusion that he does follow Calvin. Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:10 PM Well I have yet to bring up the 5 points. I agree with them. That doesn't make me a follower of man of Calvin. Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:17 PM Jude said: That is the Point...some persons here Will Say they Dont Follow Calvins Doctrine...but thats all they Profess & want to Discuss and Post James replies: NOT TRUE. Not only have I posted on several subjects that have nothing to with the five points, I can SHOW were you and others TURNED the conversation BACK TO the five points. This has been done repeatedly to threads I started that had nothing to do with the five points. Jude continues: and in the Process they Put Down ALL Others that Dont Hold to Agree with it or Accept it. James replies: My "Put downs" mainly consist of telling others they are contradicting plain words of Scripture. Like when a person reads a verse that says that God Works all things after His own counsel, and then five of you turn right around and say, "God works some things after His own counsel." Or when Jesus says, "NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS" and then five of you say, "NO! Anyone can come....see it says whosoever........" There has been plenty of childish behavior and bad attitudes on this group. And I am NOT talking about the Doctrines of Grace, I am talking about Childish and bad attitudes about even considering what Christians have said who have lived before us, or learning about church history. Jude said: ...Articles written about what Calvin Said or Believed...or the Complete Opposite to make Thier Point...Where is Christ Jesus in that ???...xo James replies: Jesus Christ is the central point of all of John Calvin's writings. I can only guess it is because you are ignorant of Calvin's writings that you just in knee jerk fashion automatically think that Calvin only wrote about five points that did not even exist as five points while he was alive. This is something you need to know: There are two men who are considered, NOT BY ME, but by the vast majority of Christians who came after them, these two men have titles that have been put on them by Christians. 1. The prince of Preachers. His name is Charles Haddon Spurgeon. I would recommend reading anything he ever wrote. 2. The Prince of theologians. His name is John Calvin. I would recommend reading anything he ever wrote. Now, both of these men wrote about every subject in the Bible, and so if you reject God's sovereignty in salvation, that should not stop you from reading what they wrote. I have read plenty by Arminians and my favorite Arminian is C.S.Lewis. I wonder if you would read anything by John Calvin? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:45 PM Lsu you may not see it as such but before the lord if you agree with the tulip that is as being one with calvinism, that is the lord's perspective on it. Now if you are in agreement with the tulip, you are in disagreement with the lord Jesus Christ. Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:51 PM If you define Calvinism as the doctrines of grace, then yes I'm in agreement. However, I didn't come to that belief by following Calvin so the point that if you agree with TULIP means you are following a man is false. That's like say you follow a man because you are Arminian. If fact there is no difference at all. The whole talk about following man should really stop. It holds no weight and is hypocritical. Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:54 PM What I said is if you agree with the tulip, you are outside of the word of God, so one has to judge it as of the devil, there is no Jesus in it. It is impossible for Jesus to lie! Post Reply
View Profile History	* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit * Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 03:57 PM I'm aware of what you said and obviously I disagree. I was responding to all the following a man talk. Yes you as a man tell me my belief is of the devil. I should not believe you because you are a man. You see how backwards that thinking is? That's all I'm saying is that kind of talk should stop. Post Reply

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