James wrote - "Well, I post on letting our light shine, and here we are again with people on this group, making a golden calf out of their supposed free will they think they have!"
Supposed free will? I have given you verses out of Scripture that show we do have a choice to choose or live for God/Christ. You have never addressed them. You won't address them.
James wrote - "I will ask you ET, where do YOU get off pretending that you can make yourself be born again????"
Ditto Jude's post. Ya know what James? Either you or your Reformed teachers that you so generously shower this forum with, fabricate lies about those views that don't agree with them, and then you proceed to argue against them. I have never seen one person say they can MAKE themselves be born-again. So why do you present a false belief as if it were "our" belief ["our" being those of us who don't agree with you]?
:ROFL::ROFL::excited: Thanks James and Jude for asking:ROFL: when I figure out how I get off trying to make myself born again I'll let you guys know, and also send ole Nic a postcard... lsest anyone else should boast .:ROFL::ROFL:
too, funny! Y'all made my day! ... I can't even write:ROFL::ROFL:..
I wish I could make myself born again, then I would have to had given up all my worldly behavior.
If the truth be told by everyone who claim to be born again... Sin is fun, that why we stayed in the world so long, adn that's why many so-called Christian are still in the world... one foot in heaven and the other one in hell, ridign side saddle:ROFL: :buddies::zzzz:...:rocknroll:
As I asked, what is that light that TRUE Christian believrs are to let shine, so that others will see our good works?
Jesus is speaking to truly BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS, who has put away the things they use to do, and they are doing everything possible to depend upon the Holy Spirit who is living on the inside of them to keep them from ALL sins.
A believer who has not been trult born again, continues in their sinful ways on the side, as Paul says they have FORM OF GODLINESS, but the deny the pwoer thereof, because they don;'t think God see them or hears them, and that they will not be judge accordingly, because they have been saved.
Well, being SAVED IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING BORN AGAIN by the baptism of the Holy Spirit as Jesus explains in John.
Paul tells us how to be saved in Romans chpater 10, and Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to all who believe and do not resist the incoming power of His Sprit and has prayed for our protection through the pwoer of His Spirit. John chapters 14-17.
When a person is truly born again, he/she no longer goes to the pales they use to go, nor hang with the smae people, nor do any of these things, becasue they Spirit of God lets us know this is not pleasing to God, and a truly born again person will heed to instructions and follow the directions of His leadership. And when we fail to listen, it doesn't take very much to bring shame on the face of a truly born again person, and this always lead to repentance and aturning awya from those thimngs that displease God.
Jude had me cracking up I forgot to give the answer that James could not respond to.
That light is the CHARACTER OF CHIRST which is the FRUIT of the HOLY SPIRIT living on the sinde of everyone who ahs received the [romise of the Father, which is the Holy Sprit.
And what is the fruit of the Sprit that NO MAN can rpoduce? Again this is the total work of the holy Spirit with Jesus as the vine and we as the branches from which the fruit grows.Galatians chapter 5.
I think when James starts to sit down and read chapters of the gospel for himself, and stop just reading certain scriptures passages based on those scriptures given to him in articles and in his Reformed doctrine. He will come to a clear undersatnding of God's word, and realize that his Reofrmed doctrine is a form of works and not total trust and faith in Jesus Christ. Its one of slef-pride believeing that the Reformist are the only ones... ther are many religions who also believe their group is the only one, becasue they are afraid fo read for themselves and allow God to reveal HImsefl and open up the scri[ture for them, as He does with everyone who diligently seek His face..
Supposed free will? I have given you verses out of Scripture that show we do have a choice to choose or live for God/Christ. You have never addressed them. You won't address them.
James replies:
see if you can follow this line of reasoning.........
Because I command you to give me ten million dollars, it does NOT mean that YOU HAVE THE ABILITY.
Got that?
IF you wish to SHOW FROM SCRIPTURE that you have a perfectly free will that is ABLE to choose Jesus BEFORE the Holy Spirit makes you alive spiritually, THEN YOU NEED TO SHOW THAT.
MERELY find Scriptures that have the word "choose" in them
DOES NOT PROVE ABILITY.
UNDERSTAND???
And while you are looking for verses that say that, you MIGHT want to actually DEAL WITH the verses that say that FALLEN MAN DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY!
Now, lets review our main lesson for today 71.
"because a verse has the word 'choose' in it does NOT
I will jump in here bcause I don't know who this is to, maybe I missed the name of the person to whom you are speaking. But man does NOT have "free will". this would amke man equal to God, and Go dain;t having this.. If God does not give satan free will, and satna must come beofre God to ask for permission to do his deeds, why would God give man free will?
Man's free will is called DISOBEDIENCE. If man has free will outside of what God allows, then why did jonah experience his ordeal and David, and Phraoah and all the others who decided to do their own things outsdie of what God had told them to do? God give us FREE COICE to choose...
as it is written: If it seem evil to you to serve the Lord, YOU CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE, WHETHER IT WILL THE gods which your fthers served that were on the other side of the flood. OR the gods of theAmorites, in whose land you lived, but as for me asn my house , we will serve the Lord. And the peopel answered God and said, God forbid that we should forsake the Lord, to serve other gods. ( Joshua chapter 24)
God calls man's free will disbodebience and there is punishment for disobedience, and not only is man's free will disobedience but it shows no fear of God..
Here is a perfect example of man doing his own thing out according to hiw own "so-called "FREE WILL" of course we ahve all the others in the Old an dNew Testement. Acts is full of people who chose to exericse their free will against what God had spoken. particularly in Acts chapter 5.
But listen to this what God says How long wll you simple ones love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
You turn to my reproof, look, I will pour out My Spirit to you, I will make known my words to you, because I have called, and you refused, I have stretched out My hand, and no man regarded.
But you have set at naught all of my counsel, and would not have any of my reproof. I will also laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear comes. When your fear comes as the desolation, and your destruction comes as a whirlwind, when distress and anguish comes upon you. Then you will call upon me, but I will not answer, they will seek me early, but they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord. They wanted none of my counsel, they despised all of my reproof.
Therefore, they will eat of the fruit of their own way and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple will slay them,a nd the prosperity of the fools will destrot them, But whosoever hears unto me will live,a nd will be quiet from the fear of evil." This is man's free wil in action, doing his own thing, and God's punishment for disobedience.
Man's free will... you are in disobedience and receive the punishment from God...
