Eph. 1:11 ...[W]ho [God] worketh all things after the counsel of His will.
Q. If God works all things after the counsel of His will, how much
does He work to the will of you, me, Satan, etc.?
A. None.
B. 20%
C. 50%
D. 85%
Is. 14:24 Jehovah of hosts hath sworn, saying , Surely, as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand.
Q. How much of what He wants to come to pass, doesn�t?
A. All of His thoughts will come to pass
B. Some of His thoughts will not come to pass
C. A few of His thoughts will not come to pass
D. A lot of His thoughts will not come to pass
Rom. 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also foreordained to be conformed to to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many bretheren: and whom He foreordained, them He also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.
Q. How many do you think have been called, justified, or glorified that He did not first foreknow or foreordain?
A. Write in your answer: ___________________
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd; and I know my own, and mine own know me, even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Q. Where does this scripture say that Jesus laid down his life for the sheep and the goats
A. It doesn�t
B. It doesn�t, but I just know He meant the goats, too
John 6:65 No man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father.
Q. How many come to Jesus that were not first given to him by the Father?
A. 0
B. 5,000
C. 5,000,000
D. 10,000,000
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come unto me
Q. How many that the Father gave Him will not come to Him?
A. Two
B. A couple of thousand
C. A couple of million
D. Trick question, it says they will all come unto him
John 10:28 I [Jesus] give unto them the (true followers, or �sheep�) eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father�s hand.
Q. How many sheep do you think have been snatched from either God�s or Jesus� hands?
A. None
B. 50,000
C. 500,000
D. 1,000,000
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Q. Considering this, and other related scripture, God having to blot out a name from the book of life would mean:
A. God makes mistakes.
B. Some have been snatched from Jesus� hands?
C. God didn�t know that some of His sheep were really goats.
D. None of the above.
Q. Could a person whose name was written in the book of life from the foundation of the world not have become a Christian (or have saving faith in God if born before Jesus)?
A. No
B. Yes
C. This confuses me, but I�m going to believe the Bible.
D. This confuses me, and I�m going to pretend this isn�t in the Bible (be honest).
Matt. 13 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Q. Jesus himself declared that one of the reasons why He spoke in parables was that the truth might be concealed from whom it was not intended. Is this fair?
A. No.
B. Yes.
C. Who are we to question God?
D. I�m going to pretend I didn�t see that verse.
Rom. 8:28 To them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to His purpose.
Q. How many things do not work for the good of those who love God?
A. 10% of all things
B. 40% of all things
C. 85% of all things
D. Trick question, the Bible says all things work for the good of those who love Him
Mark 14:30 And Jesus said unto him (Peter), Verily I say unto thee, that thou, today, even this night before the rooster crow twice shall deny me thrice.
Questions:
A. Could Peter not have denied Jesus three times before the rooster crowed twice?
Answer here: ____________________________
B. Did Jesus make Peter deny him, or did Peter do it of his own free will?
Answer here: ____________________________
Exodus 4:11 [God Himself asks the rhetorical question] Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or dumb? Who gives him his sight or makes him blind? Is it not I the Lord?
James you proposed to be one in authority, and I am here to remind Reformed theology gave up all their authority, for all authority comes from the lord Jesus Christ and if you are one with him you are then under his authority thru his name and word.
In otherwords Calvin has no Grounds to tell Two Sparrows to repent for following the lord.
Incredible!These people cant even admit that God works everything according to his will,wich he plainly says,but they have to throw in that he takes everything,mans will,satans will....into consideration!
Debate over,these people just arent bright enough to argue with!And I dont mean this as an insult but as an actual fact,if someone is unable to grasp a simple concept such as this perhaps........oh,I forgot the lord purposely speaks in parables.....perhaps.....SSSHHHHH!
Steve the issue is not what Calvinism says, but what the word of God says in the context you are blabbing about, is nothing close to Calvinism manipulates it into, Calvinism does not come close to understand the context.
By the way you did mean it in arrogance, there is no other way to understand it when your stand is in gross error.
Eph. 1:11 ...[W]ho [God] worketh all things after the counsel of His will.
And then you ASK:
If God works all things after the counsel of His will, how much
does He work to the will of you, me, Satan, etc.?
And the first guy answers %50 to His will, and next guy answers
"God takes my will, your will and Satans will into consideration"
I mean what do you say at that point???
Maybe If that was my first post on this group I would suspect a very low level of reading comprehension, but I have discussed things with people on this group for a while, and so I think this is just outright REFUSING to believe what God has said.
I have even presented more Scriptures that say the same thing, and it is just a big game to some of them.
It is like they have made free will into a golden calf.....
I certainly feel like I am wasting my time.
I don't think the Lord would have me doing that.
If people will not even admit say they believe the most plain statements in Scripture, then leave them be........
James wrote - "If anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10). If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, or that we can be saved by assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the effectual work of the Holy Spirit, who makes all whom He calls gladly and willingly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray from the plain teaching of Scripture by exalting the natural ability of man, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5)."
I get really peeved when I read these fabricated accusations in order to create an argument. We DO NOT exalt the natural ability of man. That is a lie in order to create an argument out of the lie and fluff yourself up. I have given you Scriptures that show we have the choice to CHOOSE who we will serve. I have given you Scripture that shows sinful man can choose to NOT CHOOSE Christ. These verses have never been addressed by you. Why is that? Is it because you can't find any Reformed articles online refuting them? Is it because you can't come up with a way to make them mean something else? Instead you go searching for more articles written by man, full of lies as it applies toward our beliefs, and these are your answers. Pathetic that you can't speak for yourself without slipping in these "expert" articles and comments.
James wrote - "If people will not even admit say they believe the most plain statements in Scripture, then leave them be........"
You mean "most plain statements in Scripture" such as God so loved the world... whosoever shall believe... Saviour of the world...Scriptures like that?
James what did you say in the presence of the lord Jesus Christ?
Man of God was you also in agreement with what James said?
Jesus is not a debate, he is not a dictator, he is not a manipulator, he is not a liar,he is not the author of confusion, he is not any of those things Satan endeavors to distort him to be.
He is the way and the truth, unto those that believeth he is!!
He is the lord of lord's unto those that believe that truth!!
He is the same yesterday, today and forever to those that believeth!!
Jesus is the one that paid the price of ransom to all that believeth!!
Jesus is the only way to the father to those that believeth!!
I am the poor guy dwelling in darkness, who thinks God takes all things into consideration (including man and satan) when determining His will. Therefore please enlighten me by answering a question : It was in the will of Adam and Eve to sin, it was in the will of Satan to tempt man, it was in the will of God to come as Jesus. If man had not ever sinned, would Jesus gone to the Cross? How can you say God didn't take the will of man and satan into consideration?
Now is your chance to shine James and Steve, don't shrink back!
