The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 12 Mar, 2011 08:42 PM
What is the point or relevance of this post, what does it have to do with any truth and what could be the possible motive of one that is in the family of God and alive unto God?
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 12 Mar, 2011 10:05 PM
PhillipJohn Said:
What is the point or relevance of this post, what does it have to do with any truth and what could be the possible motive of one that is in the family of God and alive unto God?
James replies:
To show that God's Love for His people is SPECIFIC, and ALL POWERFUL.
In other words, we do not serve a god who loves everyone who ever lived in a vague sentimental way.
We serve a God, who chose us before the foundation of the world.
He decided to chose a people for Himself, and He then had Jesus die SPECIFICALLY for them, and then at some point in EACH of their lives, He had the Holy Spirit MAKE them into a NEW Creature, so that they would naturally desire to repent and trust in Jesus. Then, by many and diverse ways, He CAUSES them to persevere to the end, and THEN when Christ returns He will finally glorify them and NOT ONE OF THEM WILL BE LOST.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 06:05 AM
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ
James think you for stating you purpose of this post, you have made your motives abundantly clear, you have no desire to walk in truth and your works are always against the word of God, denying the truth.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 06:11 AM
Romans 3:27
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
We no the bible teaches that man is saved by faith and actually all he receives of the lord will be the law of faith.
What is a law as said in Romans 3 verse 27, spiritual laws operate just like natural laws, as in the law of gravity, whatever is dropped will fall to the earth.
The law of faith is always preceded by the law of sowing and reaping and it is so vital to know and understand these laws operate, for and against you depending on the words you are hearing.
The law of sowing and reaping works with whatever a man soweth, but in this case we are talking about words.
The word of God is preached, first man must hear with the intent to agree with the word of God, and then believe what he hears, as an act of his will and out of a pure heart respond to the word heard and believed, this response is what the bible calls faith as in Romans 10:17
The faith spoken of in Romans 12:3 is a general faith given to all man upon the earth, a general faith that was given to man to hear and believe the word of God relative to the topic proclaimed.
Faith as in Romans 10:17 is not a gift, it is a by product of exercising the law of sowing and reaping per the word of God, or the word of man, it operates even if the words heard are not of the word of God.
When the lord established these laws of course it was for good and not evil, satan knew this and thus he went after Eve and tempted her with his words and she believed them and then acted upon what he said. Eve's action is the first perversion of the law of sowing and reaping, and the law of faith.
Jesus explains the law of sowing and reaping in the parable of the sower. Mt 13:3, Mk 4:4, and Lk. 8:5.
Facts concerning all scripture:
The word of God is god they are one.
The word of God always came from God to man.
The word of God heard and believe giveth light.
The word of God, any and all scripture is full of faith!!!
An example of what we are saying according to the word of God:
Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
The word of God also teaches us that we are to establish any truth in the mouth of two or three witnesses. so we will give another witness. Mt 18:16, 2nd Cor. 13:1
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
These two scriptures illuminate the heart of man to the will of God
concerning:
These scriptures tell us how one is to hear the word of God!!
These scriptures tell the hearer who can be saved!!
Theses scriptures tell the hear how one is saved!!
In hearing and believing the hearing know has faith to be saved, all that is left is man's response to the scripture which is faith.
Calling upon the name of the lord is his faith proclaiming and then the birth is the result.
A new testament example of this:
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
2:37 � Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
They heard the word, they believed, then they acted upon what they heard and then they where added to the church.
New creation realities by the living Word of God, bringing forth the life of God unto whosever hears and believes the word of God on any topic!!
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 02:31 PM
James wrote - "To show that God's Love for His people is SPECIFIC, and ALL POWERFUL. In other words, we do not serve a god who loves everyone who ever lived in a vague sentimental way."
I'm beginning to wonder if you serve the same God. The God I serve does not have a love that is vague. For anyone. Nor is there Scripture stating such. If you're going to accuse God of not having a love that reaches every soul ever created, you should provide Scripture for it. Show me in Scripture where God says He hates anyone. If you can't provide it, you should keep such diatribe to yourself. Not only are you messing with the character of God, you're a bad witness.
Whoso [is] wise, and will observe these [things], even they shall understand the lovingkindness of the LORD. - Psalm 107:43
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 07:21 PM
James wrote - "To show that God's Love for His people is SPECIFIC, and ALL POWERFUL. In other words, we do not serve a god who loves everyone who ever lived in a vague sentimental way."
71 said:
I'm beginning to wonder if you serve the same God. The God I serve does not have a love that is vague. For anyone. Nor is there Scripture stating such.
James replies:
Well, you are right about serving the same God. We Do, it is just that you have a hyper-sentimental view of God and man and salvation!!! You think fallen mankind has a free will and is able to save himself through his decision. You think God can do anything BUT violate mans sacred free will. Your view of God is way too low, and your view of mankind is WAY too high.
You believe Jesus died for everyone who ever lived even though you have no scripture saying that. You also KNOW that God has not made a way for everyone who ever lived to even HEAR ABOUT Jesus.
That is "loving" everyone in a vague way don't you think?
You say Jesus died for everyone, but if that is the case then NO ONE should be in HELL because everyone who ever lived has had their sins paid for!
So, Jesus died for EVERYONE who ever lived, BUT their are STILL people in Hell???
THAT is "loving" everyone in a vague way.
71 said:
If you're going to accuse God of not having a love that reaches every soul ever created, you should provide Scripture for it.
James replies:
As you wish......
Matthew 22:14: "For many are called, but few are CHOSEN."
1 Peter 2:8,9...For they stumble because they disobey the word, as
they were DESTINED to do. But you are a CHOSEN RACE, a royal
priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the
wonderful deeds of him who CALLED you out of the darkness into his
marvelous light.
Romans 9:11-13: Though they were NOT YET BORN AND HAD DONE NOTHING
EITHER GOOD OR BAD, in order that God's purpose of ELECTION might
continue, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS but because of his CALL, she was told,
"The elder will serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved,
but Esau I hated."
Romans 9:16: So it depends NOT UPON MAN'S WILL OR EXERTION, but upon
God's MERCY.
I can give a LOT more on this, but people on here complain when I do.
71 continues:
Show me in Scripture where God says He hates anyone. If you can't provide it, you should keep such diatribe to yourself. Not only are you messing with the character of God, you're a bad witness.
James replies:
Romans 9:13 "Esau I hated"
Psalm 7:11 "God is angry with the wicked everyday."
It is like you are SO emotionally attached to the idea that God loves everyone who ever lived, that you refuse to think it through........
I don't know how much history you have read, but there have been some incredibly EVIL people who have lived in this world, and they have done an incredible AMOUNT of evil, and yet, you think God is NOT angry with them, and that He does not hate them?
Your view of God sounds more like Santa Claus than the infinitely Holy God of the Bible. I am sorry, but that is what it sounds like to me.
In Christ,
James
Whoso [is] wise, and will observe these [things], even they shall understand the lovingkindness of the LORD. - Psalm 107:43
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 07:53 PM
James you are not sorry about anything, by your fruits, (actions) you have no desire to honor the lord, his word and those that believe his word.
Number one with your mouth you continually talk about know the word of God thru your intellect, reasoning, and mental faculties and continually giving place to the flesh, which the bible you say you represent says it is enmity with God, carnality that is.
You refuse to rightly divide the word of God, you only acknowledge God thru reformed theology, man's theory and opinions void of any truth.
You propose your doctrines by the manipulation of scripture, to justify your doctrine.
You continually say that the God that is love, (hates) the bible says he that hates his brother is a murderer, yes you call the father a murderer.
You continually refer to history of what you call the church as to your interpretation of the word, which you say man is to not interpret the word, and so your answer to anyone is your interpretation is wrong.
It matters not how clear the bible is against everything you proclaim, you always deny the truth the word of God for what you say is truth Calvinism
You sign your post as In Christ. and there is nothing in anything you say that reflects the anointing of God.
James what is your agenda other wanting to exalt yourself and try to convert others to you.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 08:37 PM
"What the Arminian wants to do is to arouse man's activity: what we want to do is to kill it once for all---to show him that he is lost and ruined, and that his activities are not now at all equal to the work of conversion; that he must look upward. They seek to make the man stand up: we seek to bring him down, and make him feel that there he lies in the hand of God, and that his business is to submit himself to God, and cry aloud, 'Lord, save, or we perish.' We hold that man is never so near grace as when he begins to feel he can do nothing at all. When he says, 'I can pray, I can believe, I can do this, and I can do the other,' marks of self-sufficiency and arrogance are on his brow." - C. H. Spurgeon
