Author	Thread: Resist the devil
Admin	Resist the devil Posted : 22 Feb, 2011 09:02 AM Some would have you to believe that the father has created evil, allows evil, uses evil to afflict his people. Nu 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. After all that the father promised his people, he would do for them and give them, he allowed fear to grip them and give out the evil report and all the Israelites but two died in the desert. The voice of man stands in the corner whispering remember, we said we will call it mercy, anything short of hell. Jesus said he came to destroy the works of the devil. The voice of man says it is the will of the father, the will of the devil that is!! Did Jesus say the devil would flee from him? The voice of man says even though this sickness is the will of God I am going to the doctor to overcome the will of God, lol Post Reply
View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 08:22 PM So, God is giving satan His permission to cause millions of un-born babies to be killed? _Child molestors to abuse and molest innocent children?______ Elderly people to be beaten and robbed? __________________ Women to be raped?__________ Victims to be murdered? _____________________________ My LOVING God is giving His permission to satan to maim, cripple, destroy , commit un-speakable acts of Evil? Is that what some of you are telling us to believe? Post Reply
View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 08:49 PM The statement that satan is God's puppet is crazy! In order for me to believe that God is sitting on His throne giving His puppet permission to do all the malicious, un-godly things in this world, I would have to believe I'm serving a MEAN God and I don't believe that for one minute! __ ____________________________ Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me: for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls._______________________ Matthew 11:28 Post Reply
flyby View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 08:57 PM Did Job ever blame Satan for his calamities? If he was blameless then he would know that God created even Satan for His pleasure, right? Gods wrath was towards Job�s friends. (Rev 4:11) Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Men have lived out of Gods ways since the garden, no doubt we�re going to have calamities but the stronger we Trust, is lessening of the effect, spiritually that is, hence turning the other cheek, forgiveness. Ya show fruit ya get back fruit. Self inflicted or flirting with disaster is a hole other alligator and I would have to wonder if you were walking in the word. I may be wrong but I cant recall any of the martyrs blaming Satan, only testifying to Jesus Christ. Does Jesus Christ ever blame? I cant recall. When the winds blew He didn�t blame, He calmed. Post Reply
MargoSolo View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 09:50 PM Chevy, What I was refuting was that Satan has free reign and running wild without any reign from God, not that God approves of sin and all of those horrible things! God is not the author of evil and sin but does and will ultimately prevail over it all. What I am trying to say is that God is omnipotent, and that Satan himself is subordinate and dependent upon God for any power or authority that he exercises, as shown in the story of Job and Peter. We live in a fallen world. From the minute sin became man�s nature from the fall, everything is effected. Satan influences this world, but the wickedness of man brings about his own evil and hate. Satan is not the only source of evil. We have brought about our own consequences. Even the earth is effected by sin. It was perfect in the garden, but now there are natural disasters. Does God create them for evil or does He simply allow them as consequence? I believe it is consequence, but in His mysterious ways He will use even evil to His purpose. God is still on His throne and will overcome all the evil to show His glory through the redemption of His people and judgment over Satan and unbelief. Post Reply
View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 10:58 PM Margo I am not ignorant of either of my father's sovereignty, nor am I ignorant of satan's sovereignty, and your has as much merit on the topic as the elect to salvation. For any christian to be a doer of the word of God they will first have to come into agreement with it. Post Reply
flyby View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 11:04 PM Here a thought, Just a thought! Satan was cast to the earth, God formed us from the earth, we have Satan in us and we are bound by gravity to it. Satan is a terminology for us, its used by worldly people for blame instead of blaming themselves. I mean who of Gods choice blames Satan for his own calamity? If Satan is in a pit, then How did Satan tempt Jesus. Peter had it, If someone was going to drink and drive we might think he was a devil, and the person getting crashed into may very well call this man a devil. God breathed into us life, water of choice, We get our wings so to say, us saved, by the Holy Ghost to free us from the gravity of this dust we carry, the devil, Satan in the pits of us. Its only our own privet personal selves we have to overcome and we can do that by faith in Jesus Christ. Post Reply
View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 23 Feb, 2011 11:21 PM I am just guessing here, but I don't think when Margo used the word "puppet" she meant God has His hand inside Satan doing evil things. As for God allowing evil, we need to see, the realization of evil is a by-product of free will. Somehow someway God is going to bring good out of all it inspite of our adversary and our poor choices. Post Reply
MargoSolo View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 24 Feb, 2011 06:17 AM Yes, the implication I meant was nothing to the effect that the devil is an extention of God's bidding evil, but nothing the devil is doing is taking God by surprise. In ways I believe we don't understand, God is and will use everything to His glory. Post Reply
View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 24 Feb, 2011 07:50 AM Satan is who he is by choice and he became who he presently is after his fall, his character is what it is because of the absence of god in his life. He does what he does because he is God of this world because Adam and Eve give their dominion to him very simple. Two I believe that is exactly what is and has been implied, Satan does not have to check in with the father, he has every legal right. The father has made provision for the church in the new testament, and it is the church's responsibility, not the lord's, to keep Satan under our feet. In lieu of all of the responses on this topic, do you really believe that is happening? Satan laughs at the church in their unbelief and at times are his puppets because of their unbelief. Post Reply
View Profile History	Resist the devil Posted : 24 Feb, 2011 08:46 AM Both PJ and margo are right here. You see satan can not do what ever he wants. he does have to go to God to ask to do things to people like Job. Chevy------ sometimes satan takes the rap for what man does on his own.Abortion is one, sometimes some mens heart is so evil they don't need help from satan, they do it on there own. PJ when satan offered all the kingdoms of the earth to jesus what did jesus say?????? it is my impression he said that satan can not give it to jesus because Jesus already has it. hmmmmmmmmmmm Satan is resticked to certain issues. Post Reply

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