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The Church:Home to wolves and or den of theives.
Posted : 11 Dec, 2010 05:49 AM

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Does this look familiar to you in the assembly where you fellowship?



Are Churches The Home Of Wolves?

by Van Robison



Many wolves (Matthew 7:15) have made their home in the world of churchianity. They prey upon the unsuspecting, the naive and the undiscerning.

They devour their prey on the pretense that they are "ministers" of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:5).

They don't prance around as if they are wolves, but on the other hand, they come in sheep's clothing.

Wolves come in many different disguises using flattering titles to make their prey think they are legitimate.

Some wolves are pastors, some are senior pastors, some are pastors of megachurches, some are youth pastors, some are pastors of cults, some are pastors of whatever group they supposedly have power over; while others are so-called prophets (Matthew 7:15), and some call themselves "apostles" (2 Corinthians 11:13), while others are book authors, some are musicians and singers, and others are in different categories.

Some wolves are infiltrators for political cause or other reasons. Some wolves are money hungry, power hungry, control hungry and love the praise of men.

Some wolves are even classified as "scholars" and "translate" the Bible into their own biased version. Wolves in churchianity have different ministries and they are often very persuasive public speakers.



Many wolves love to be called "Doctor" (of theology) because that title gives them credibility.

Jesus said of false prophets in Matthew 7:16 "You shall know them by their fruits." And again in verse 20, "Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them."

The teachings and life of every leader of men must be weighed against the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Christians have to be fruit detectors, discerning (1 John 4:1), prove all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21), take nothing for granted, and search the scriptures as did the Bereans to see if what is spoken is scripturally accurate and truthful (Acts 17:11).



A great key way to know if a leader is a wolf, is if they seek personal followers instead of pointing people to Jesus Christ, or if they are money oriented as many are, or if they focus your attention on anything other than Jesus Christ and His Lordship.

Wolves love to focus your attention on their supposed "authority" over your life.

Wolves love to make you think that by sowing seed money into their ministries, you will be blessed by God. No where did Jesus Christ ever say to "take up your cross and follow human pastors or church denominations." Wolves come as "angels of light" (2 Corinthians 11:13-14), but are in fact--deceivers. No wolf calls himself a wolf, instead they proclaim they are "ministers" of Jesus Christ--2 Corinthians 11:15 "Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (that is, Satan--verse 14) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."



Discernment is a vital necessity in a world of great deception and propaganda.

There is a great deal of propaganda in the world of churchianity, and in fact so much so that the church world is drowning in an ocean of deceptions from many sources. Hearing the voice of Jesus Christ through His teachings in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and also through the Holy Spirit is vital to not being deceived. Great signs and wonders are not a key to truth as Jesus Himself stated at Matthew 24:24: "For there shall arise FALSE Christs, and FALSE prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Have you been looking for a rapture? Here is what Jesus said in His own words at John 17:15 "I PRAY NOT that you should take them OUT OF THE WORLD, but that you should keep them from the evil." Did Jesus Christ appoint us to "escape" the world, or to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)?



What is it about wolves that cause people to believe that wolves represent Jesus Christ? Here are some clues:





Wolves come as innocent sheep.

Wolves come as angels of light.

Wolves seem friendly.

Wolves smile.

Wolves often have flattering titles.

Wolves focus on their "authority."

Wolves focus on giving them money.

Wolves use the name of Jesus Christ falsely.

Wolves often are obsessed with issues other than Jesus Christ.

Wolves take scriptures out of context.

Wolves twist scriptures to fit their purpose.

Wolves sometimes are very strong personalities.

Wolves sometimes claim to be healers.

Wolves sometimes claim to be apostles.

Wolves sometimes claim to be prophets.

Wolves sometimes claim to be pastors.

Wolves love control and power over your life.

Wolves are sometimes obsessed with your pocketbook.

Wolves are often legalistic.

Wolves cause people to live in fear of their authority.

Wolves cause people to fear for their salvation if they don't yield to their authority and teachings.

Wolves sometimes act as if they are infallible in spiritual knowledge.

Wolves lead astray and away from the truth in Jesus Christ.

Wolves (at least some of them) focus on the Old Testament, instead of Jesus Christ.

Wolves sometimes focus on issues in the Old Testament that have long been fulfilled in Christ.

Wolves love the praise of men.

Wolves often brag about their charitable deeds (Jesus said to do your alms in secret--Matthew 6:1-4).

Wolves love to build great temples, cathedrals, church buildings and monuments that glorify themselves (God does not dwell in temples made with hands--Acts 17:24).

Wolves deceive even themselves as well as others.

Wolves are often very forceful in their personality.

Wolves do your thinking for you and expect you to follow them.

Wolves tell you that they represent the will of Jesus Christ.

Wolves often tell you they have a special anointing.

Wolves are obsessed with themselves and their self importance.

Wolves will tell you that you are obeying God if you sow "seed" money into their ministry.

Wolves promise you healing, financial blessings, and spiritual rewards that they have no power to give.

Wolves may be spiritually abusive.

Wolves are often very defensive when others point out their false teachings.

Wolves never cease to prey upon others.

No doubt there are many more points that could be listed about spiritual wolves. Anyone can be fooled by frauds, charlatans, fakes and imposter's--unless they are discerning and are deeply rooted in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. Sadly, many wolves are themselves deceived by their own false beliefs, and some wolves are simply money hungry con-artists who use the name of Jesus Christ for monetary gain. When sheep follow anyone other than Jesus Christ, they are following the wrong voice (John 10:27 states, "My sheep hear MY VOICE, and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME.").



True representatives of Jesus Christ only POINT others to Jesus Christ and not to themselves.

True representatives of Jesus Christ do not seek personal followers, nor are they obsessed with your pocketbook, nor do they control your life, or pretend that they have "authority" over you as if they are your Lord and Master. There is ONLY ONE MASTER--JESUS CHRIST (Matthew 23:8-10), and any human leader who proclaims that they are your "head or master or spiritual father" is a liar and a wolf--1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST... ."





Agape' and Charis:

St.George

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Posted : 12 Dec, 2010 03:02 PM

Hey,



I just realized that the title of this Thread is:



The Church -- Home to Wolves or Den of Thieves?



It's funny because if a outsider where to be watching...we would look like Wolves attacking each other. :ROFL:



I've got a Plank that Chuck gave me...we could maybe play bridge with it or something?



Scripture does not lie. God's Plan of Salvation is the same as it was two hours after Christ Died (on the Cross for us) as it is now two thousand years later. It has not changed...we have!!



God left a Church as "The Pillar and Foundation of Truth"...not "men who study..."



You can see where it has led allowing men to debate and interpret Scripture.



Hey...maybe we can use that plank to build a platform...

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Posted : 12 Dec, 2010 03:05 PM

St. George,



I still would like to know where the website is?

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Posted : 12 Dec, 2010 11:57 PM

CAUTION : Catholic Proselytizing Above

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Posted : 13 Dec, 2010 01:48 PM

george most of the time I enjoy your post.

Question- Are you giving the enenmy too much credit here?

or is this just a concern of yours?



About the issue of the Lordship of Jesus;

He always has been Lord, but when we accept him as our Lord we realize that and confess it.

Both sides are right in that issue.

jesus did say to confess his being Lord.

I hope you will answer my questions.

Do you attend a home church?

In the psat you said something about meeting in homes and the early church.

Dennis

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Posted : 13 Dec, 2010 04:49 PM

George I am not the problem it is you that is the wrong Spirit, such as your response in this post, the bible calls it walking in darkness, Your problem you often speak of Satan and say it is Yeshua.



Just to make it simple for you George, those that do not confess Jeus as their lord rendering their will to him are not in the family of God, that is the word of God no opinions.

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Posted : 13 Dec, 2010 05:09 PM

If I am twisting the Truth Then you have a problem with the word of God, I spent ten years in childrens church and they do not have a problem with the word of God. I never said Jesus is not lord, the truth is in the word he is not your lord until you repent and change lordships from Satan to the lord Jesus.



8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;



9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.



10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



No confession no salvation that is the word of God, Now when you talk about all the people hurt it is because of the folishness of this post and all it's unbelief, trying to distort and twist the word of God and call it a lie. obviously one endeavoring to exalt one's self

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