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Posted : 19 Sep, 2010 07:21 PM

Can the cross save anyone?

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 02:05 PM

Then you proved the point by your own words you are walking in Darkness.

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 02:44 PM

OK PJ where am I wrong? How can you see me walking in darkness when it is you that is in the dark?

I want you to man up right now or stop calling me out and then running off with your tail between your legs. If you are going to call me out and challenge me then you need to be prepared to take the heat because I will tell you, "you are wrong". (I am not politically correct this way)

If you continue to act like a spineless man and run and hide, like you always do, from not answering questions that are presented to you, or if you do respond to a question you answer with riddles & nonsense or make false accusations and never give a clear direct answer (you are the circle man now because of this) then please stop calling me or anyone else out and stop responding to my post. You can't win a debate with anyone because you don't know. Want to challenge me? I say, bring it on! I'll have more respect for you if can. Personally I don't think you can because you don't know.



I have no problem at all getting called out, in fact I encourage it because if my doctrine can't stand up to your spit wade attacks then I do have problems.

But if you are going to call me, trucker or anyone else out you desperately need to first, MAN up PJ!!!

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 03:00 PM

No running and hiding on my part, that is far from the truth, my statement is the truth based on your words.



It was very clear to me.



Let it be made clear there is no malice on my part you consistently say the word of God is not true with your words, hopefully that is clear.

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 03:23 PM

Circle man you are wrong! Again!

As far as I can recall you are the only person here that has ever uses these words "...the word of God is not true..." I have never typed those words on this forum, and didn't even type them now, I copied and pasted your words, so they are still your words.

You always hide from the real truth Circle man. Man up son and quit make yourself and your followers look like the fool.



I ask a question and you can't even give a straight answer because you are so use to talking in circles.



BTW there is no malice on my part either, I am just saying if you want to go toe 2 toe with me on any subject from the Bible you may want to study first before running your mouth. I for sure do not know it all but I feel comfortable with what I do know going against you. That is if your not to scared for a real debate. Personally I don't think you can debate with me or anyone because you don't know how to communicate here. (It may be different in a room face to face. Sometimes I want to give you the benefit of the doubt because communicating through writing is not as easy as verbal communication, but boy PJ you make it hard with some of the nonsense you write.)

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 03:29 PM

Mrs Jude:



The 1st Law in the Genisis was...thou shalt not eat of The tree...here are the words of GOD...



Genesis 2 NKJV



8 The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.



9 And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.



16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, �Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;



*** 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.�



Genesis 3 NKJV



The Temptation and Fall of Man



1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, �Has God indeed said, �You shall not eat of every tree of the garden�?�



2 And the woman said to the serpent, �We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;



*** 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, �You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.��



...xo



I assume this is your resonse to my reponse below.







The great answer to the actual wooden cross is:







Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:







In otherwords being put on a tree (wood) Jesus became thus cursed redeeming man from the curse of the law described in Deuteronomy 28,







The curse of the law was Spiritual death, material lack, financial poverty, and sickness.



Where did I mention Genesis?



My responses is in accordance with Galatians 3:13, the word law, is commonly refereed to the first five books of the bible or the Pentateuch



d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT



This is strong's words for law.



re�deem (r-dm)

tr.v. re�deemed, re�deem�ing, re�deems

1. To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.

2. To pay off (a promissory note, for example).

3. To turn in (coupons, for example) and receive something in exchange.

4. To fulfill (a pledge, for example).

5. To convert into cash: redeem stocks.

6. To set free; rescue or ransom.

7. To save from a state of sinfulness and its consequences. See

8. To make up for: The low price of the clothes dryer redeems its lack of special features.

9. To restore the honor, worth, or reputation of: You botched the last job but can redeem yourself on this one.



Strong's answer for redeemed



But let's say you where only looking at Genesis as you stated:



Do you see any lack in the garden?

Do you see any poverty in the Garden?

Do you see any sickness in the garden?

Prior to the fall!!





It would be beneficial to say what mankind was redeemed from by studying Deutronomy 28



No I didn't state what the curse was, Jesus himself the (word) did a fine job.

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 04:57 PM

Oh my...Thats MISS Jude property of Jesus* to All men includeing you PJ...:ROFL:....

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Posted : 21 Sep, 2010 05:46 PM

:ROFL: Oh now that is to funny!!! :ROFL: Go get'em Mrs...err Miss Jude! LOL! :laugh:

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Posted : 22 Sep, 2010 11:00 AM

@ PJ:



PJ:I Love you.



PJ,the topic is Salvation,not material wealth,health,nothing but Salvation.



The question was as easy as one can get.

The answer was either Yes,or No and give your reasoning(s) why..



PJ,just stick with each of the posted topics and you might be albe to have an ongoing conversation without toooooo much conflict...



Shalom and Chesed:

St. George

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Posted : 22 Sep, 2010 11:04 AM

Hey Now !!! What do you mean Getem ?..Hummmm.....Nahhhh...Im not sorry to say....Its just not worth the time or energy to dance in circles or responed back to a person such as PJ anymore...Nothing he can or will Say outways his Actions...

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Posted : 22 Sep, 2010 12:57 PM

Jude no statement you could make could cover your attitude, it requires repentance, You are the one that mocked and went in circles and left the word, but you don't Need to worry I already forgive you for the actions.



George love would always tell the truth, it would not continually speak against the church as you do so openly, not allowing the christ in you to speak thru you.



Nothing I said was not part of your topic, The Lord Jesus that saved me describes salvation far different than you.



I guess you would like to tell us that redemption is not part of salvation.



Maybe you need to enlighten us to what salvation is!1

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