Peter was repentant. Judas hanged himself. Wasn't Judas a chosen apostle? Didn't they all go out and do great wonders in Jesus's name? Anyway...if you believe you've already made it, then why try any harder to be better? I think that assuming you're saved puts a cap on your christian walk. Why did Jesus tell Mary to "go and sin no more"? What would have happened to Mary if she would have laid hold of Jesus's mercy and grace, and yet continued in willing sin? She would have been denying the belief in the power of Christ to change her life, and Christ would have denied her. She would have shown that she loved herself more than she loved Christ. That's just what I believe.
It is interesting that you wrote a lot and used not even one Scripture to support your opinion. You can talk a lot and deceive others , but the Word of God is the light that exposes all darkness. Let people themselves search out the truth. Just want to quote what you say and and what the Word of God says:
"G_d Himself sent His only begotten Son to be betrayed, tortured and innocently be crucified for the payment of all sin (yesterday, today and tomorrow)"
Hebrews 10:26 - 27
" For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. "
No one can snatch us out from His hands IF we remain in Him and His Words ( read John chapter 15), but we can decided not to stay in His hands and this is not snatching out, but simply choosing myself and my sin.
ok give me all scripture that pertains to the teaching of loosing salvation everyone of them and then I will read them and in the context of the verses i will Biblically back up with scripture there is Eternal Security in Salvation and show with proof the context of verses pertaing to what you say is loosing Salvation that way it will be setteled with Gods word.
Hamilton here is what you asked. I would like to see how you explain the by the Scriptures. Thank you
Here is the clear proof from the Word of God that the doctrine - "Once saved allways saved" is obviously not biblical and false. DON'T BE DECEIVED AND DON'T DECEIVE OTHERS .
~~~HEBREWS 6:4-6~~~
" For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, IF THEY FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN TO REPENTANCE, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. "
~~~MATTHEW 24:13~~~
" But he who ENDURES TO THE END shall be saved. "
~~~ROMANS 11:19-22~~~
" You will say then, �Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.� Well said. BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE MAY NOT SPARE YOU EITHER. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who FELL, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS. OTHERWISE YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF. "
~~~REVELATION 3:5~~~
" HE WHO OVERCOMES shall be clothed in white garments, and I will NOT BLOT OUT his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. "
~~~REVELATION 3:16~~~
" So then because thou art LUKEWARM, and neither cold nor hot, I will SPUE thee out of my mouth. "
~~~1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10~~~
" Do you not know that the UNRIGHTEOUS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. "
( Notice, this is what is written to CHRISTIANS, TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS )
~~~MATTHEW 7:21-23~~~
�Not everyone who says to Me, �Lord, Lord,� shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, �Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?� And then I will declare to them, �I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!�
HEBREWS 10:26 - 29
" For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there NO LONGER REMAINS a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses� law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? "
1 CORINTHIANS 15:1 - 2
" Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you�UNLES YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN."
GALATIANS 6:7 - 8
" Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. "
" You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked. " (2 Pet. 3:17)
"This Scripture alone disproves the fallacy of eternal security completely! Who else could Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Rom. 11:22 "
" I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine-dresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. " Jn. 15:1-6
( In order to be thrown out you must first be plugged in. If you are plugged in to the Vine and still can be thrown out as the Scriptures says , the you have no eternal security)
" For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. (Heb. 3:14) "
"The Bible declares,"we are workers together with God so that we do NOT receive His Grace in vain! Eternal Security is a MYTH and YOU must endure to the end to be Saved" (Matt. 10:22). "
Sorry, I guess I just assume that since this is a christian site, people will know what verses or sections of the bible I'm referring to. I'll be sure to include verses in the future. Why do most people who believe in this "Once Saved" thing have similar personalities?
Ezekial 33:12 "Therefore, son of man, say to your countrymen, 'The righteousness of the righteous man will not save him when he disobeys, and the wickedness of the wicked man will not cause him to fall when he turns from it. The righteous man, if he sins, will not be allowed to live because of his former righteousness.' 13 If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done. 14 And if I say to the wicked man, 'You will surely die,' but he then turns away from his sin and does what is just and right- 15 if he gives back what he took in pledge for a loan, returns what he has stolen, follows the decrees that give life, and does no evil, he will surely live; he will not die. 16 None of the sins he has committed will be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live. 17 "Yet your countrymen say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But it is their way that is not just. 18 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it. 19 And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so. 20 Yet, O house of Israel, you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But I will judge each of you according to his own ways."
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Mark 4:3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: 4And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up. 5And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: 6But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. 7And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. 8And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.
Matt. 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
2 Tim. 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. 3Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 5And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. 6The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. 7Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. 8Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Those are just a few obvious examples that people seem to have trouble explaining away. Then there are some examples of biblical characters, like Balaam or Judas, or Ananias and Sephira, etc...the children of Israel are great examples of God casting away His chosen people because of their great sinfulness and unbelief. Then there is also the fact that some that believe they are serving God will be lost. The problem I have with this "eternal security" thing is the fact that people are judging their own salvation and claiming they have it, when they really have no idea. I don't think we get to assume the position of judge of our own salvation. It's deadly presumption. Sure, the people who God knows will be saved do have eternal security....but do you know you're one of them? That's the question. I don't know. I have blessed hope and blessed assurance that if I believe in Christ and walk in His footsteps He will count me as His follower, but I don't believe men get to decide that we're saved. Our lives aren't over yet, you can't see the future, and you can't read the book of life.
I just want to make sure you get them all because if you teach someone they are scatting on thin ice dont you dare ever sin you can loose Salvation is wrong and dangereous you see Alot of what happens is people like to assume that people teach once saved always saved you can go out and do whatever you want IS not the case its about taking a doctrine of the Bible and teaching it in truth and its entirety If a man gets saved and gets on fire for the Lord starts living his life the way the Lord wants him to and you teach that man he can loose his Salvation WHAT ARE YOU DOING? your setting him up and the whole plan of salvation up for failure. So if you can loose your Salvation at what point do you loose it? ANd as for the Scriptures I will comment on them later tonight and start working on that I unfortunately don't have the time now but will tonight
