In Jo 20:21 Jesus breathed on his disciples and said to receive the Holy Spirit, after that occasion he instructed to go into the City and wait.
Acts Ch 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
If you will notice in all of the Gospels It was said of Jesus that he would Baptize believers with the Holy Spirit and Fire.
He had said to them in verse four of ch 1 wait for the promise of the father, which you have heard of me, we know he was talking of the Holy Spirit, or the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Verse 8 ,notice he mentions it is the Holy Spirit, and he tell's them why, to receive power, that they may be a witness unto him.
The number in the upper room was 120, and they where all in one accord in prayer.
In Acts: 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
This is not the new birth they where already born again, but it is as it was in Jesus ministry an additional impartation of the Holy Spirit for power to be a witness unto Jesus.
The Spirit came upon not within
He came on all
As all received the Gift of the Holy spirit.
All spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:7 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Peter tells us what the promise of the father is, The Holy Spirit, it is the will of the father the Holy Spirit is to be poured out on all .
Now many want to argue this is the Gift of tongues, this is not the Gift of tongues it is refereed to as the Gift of The holy Spirit and when they received him all spoke in other tongues, as they where filled.
When a believe receives the Holy Spirit as in acts ch 2:4, you can pray in tongues any time you want to.
We will go to acts 10:44 and in this context we see this happening to the gentile believers and notice what the apostles say about it.
Acts 10:44 � While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
The Holy Spirit again Fell on all of them.
They said this was the Gift of the Holy Spirit
Because they heard them speak with tongues.
In explaining the occasion to the Jewish brethren Peter Said:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Know sir the error is on your part, the word of God, Jesus makes it's own case, I am talking about the Gift of the Holy Spirit, I never said you did not have it that is your own confession, the bible say's you know them by there fruit.
The post is titled, the Gift of the Holy Ghost a subsequent act, after the new birth, The bible proof of receiving the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues.
You have also tried continually tried to avoid the subject by refereeing to the Gift of tongues.
I ask that you read are I've written before you cast judgment. I will assume the truth is more important than self edification.
There no longer exists the gifts of Healing or Tongues. They were temporary gifts of the Spirit for the spread of the Gospel. So that the foreigner could hear the Gospel in their own tongue and see the miracles performed by those so gifted and they would believe.
I have spoken to Pentecostal that say unless you have tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit.....false statement number 1.
1 Corinthians 12:14-26 (NASB)
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
16 And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?
18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.
19 If they were all one member, where would the body be?
20 But now there are many members, but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;
23 and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,
24 whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,
25 so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
People who claim to speak in tongues in their church of believers are performing heresy....false statement Number 2.
1 Corinthians 14:22 (NASB)
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
So speaking tongues not only has ceased but when it did exist, it was for unbelievers only to spread the Gospel, once again.
1 Corinthians 13:1-2 (NASB)
1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
In my conversations with Pentecostals, they do not present their side with love but one of the ignorance of the non-believer in tongues and an arrogance that they know more than anyone....guess what...clanging symbols.
1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (NASB)
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part;
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.
I know you think you have an explanation for this but you don't. When was it to cease, when you say is ceases or when God says it ceased. When the perfect comes! The perfect Word of God was completed and translated to every known language. No longer did disciples need to speak to foreigners in a tongue, which translated simply means language. That is also when the gifts of Prophecy, Healing and Knowledge ceased because prophesy was complete, because Healing was not needed to prove the existence of God, we can all lay hands on someone to heal, but it is God who does the Healing and knowledge, which meant special knowledge ceased because the Bible held all the knowledge than man needed to come to saving Grace through God's Son who died for us.
Let me insert an explanation of all of this from a website that is well trusted, except by those who are stubborn and will continue to be deceived by satan to feel puffed up and proud.
Question: "Is cessationism Biblical?"
Answer: Cessationism is the view that the �miracle gifts� of tongues and healing have ceased�that the end of the apostolic age brought about a cessation of the miracles associated with that age. Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs.
Jesus� ministry was also marked by miracles, which the Apostle John calls �signs� (John 2:11). John�s point is that the miracles were proofs of the authenticity of Jesus� message.
After Jesus� resurrection, as the Church was being established and the New Testament was being written, the apostles demonstrated �signs� such as tongues and the power to heal. �Tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not� (1 Corinthians 14:22, a verse that plainly says the gift was never intended to edify the church).
The Apostle Paul predicted that the gift of tongues would cease (1 Corinthians 13:8). Here are 6 proofs that it has already ceased:
1) The apostles, through whom tongues came, were unique in the history of the church. Once their ministry was accomplished, the need for authenticating signs ceased to exist.
2) The miracle (or sign) gifts are only mentioned in the earliest Epistles, such as 1 Corinthians. Later books, such as Ephesians and Romans, contain detailed passages on the gifts of the Spirit, but the miracle gifts are not mentioned (although Romans does mention the gift of prophecy, the Greek word translated prophecy mean �speaking forth� and does not necessarily include prediction of the future).
3) The gift of tongues was a sign to unbelieving Israel that God�s salvation was now available to other nations. See 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 and Isaiah 28:11-12.
4) Tongues was an inferior gift to prophecy (preaching). Preaching the Word of God edifies believers, whereas tongues does not. Believers are told to seek prophesying over speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:1-3).
5) History indicates that tongues did cease. Tongues are not mentioned at all by the Post-Apostolic Fathers. Other writers such as Justin Martyr, Origen, Chrysostom, and Augustine considered tongues something that happened only in the earliest days of the Church.
6) Current observation confirms that the miracle of tongues has ceased. If the gift were still available today, there would be no need for missionaries to attend language school. Missionaries would be able to travel to any country and speak any language fluently, just as the apostles were able to speak in Acts 2.As for the miracle gift of healing, we see in Scripture that healing was associated with the ministry of Jesus and the apostles (Luke 9:1-2). And we see that as the era of the apostles drew to a close, healing, like tongues, became less frequent. The Apostle Paul, who raised Eutychus from the dead (Acts 20:9-12), did not heal Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:25-27), Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20), Timothy (1 Timothy 5:23), or even himself (2 Corinthians 12:7-9). The reasons for Paul�s �failures to heal� are 1) the gift was never intended to make every Christian well, but to authenticate apostleship; and 2) the authority of the apostles had been sufficiently proved, making further miracles unnecessary.
I do not mean to ruffle feathers but I hope you are ones who want all the truth of the Bible, not some congregation that only came into existence late in the 19th Century to early in the 20th Century.
Sir in order for you to be correct the bible would have to be dead, and thus you response would have no merit, but it is not so you might go back to the same ch, and do some more study.
Your response is very typical to tradition's outlook on the word of God.
Every one has to come to the point of believing the word of God is truth, and not a lie.
Truth never changes, according to your reasoning it has changed and believers do not need the Holy Spirit.
The same book you quoted also says Forbid not to speak in tongues.
The bible has not changed, the scripture you refereed does not mean what you tried to say at all.
In order for tongues to be done away, knowledge would also be done away and also prophecy.
Yes I do want all the truth, not the unbelief.
Plus you would have us to believe truth cancels out truth, thus we do not have a covenant.
The topic of the post is the gift of the Holy Ghost,
Tongues is the evidence one has received the Holy Spirit.
There you go spouting heresy again. I am beginning to really wonder if you know Jesus. For one, He was the first to receive the Holt Spirit "upon" Himself and He didn't fall down and start saying mmmnnmmnm bbdbsbs. No, and neither did the Apostles when Jesus gave them the Holy Spirit in John.
PJ, we have given you plenty of scriptural evidence that your beliefs are not of God,yet you are in denial. It is our job as believers to tell you the truth, that has now been done. If God wants you, He will give you the increase, if not, He will leave you as you are.
Leon you have not given any scriptural reference to the word of god is not true as you claim, all your responses are is that the word does not mean what it says.
You continually ignore the post and it's content, and ignore the truth of receiving the Holy spirit and speaking in tongues, which is not .the Gift of tongues.
You only provision is what you claim to be instead of what Scripture says
You are so deceived by the evil one. You only use parts of the Bible for your evidence and ignore the ones that have proven you wrong. I have cited the scriptures and you are still deceived. May God have mercy on you for aping His Word for your own pride.
What do you think it says that these gifts will cease. The Bible is not dead but it is clear. You just have too much pride in your heart to admit that you do not have the Spiritual gift that you claim. Doesn't work that way. I wish I had credibility with you but you only think about yourself and have no room for reproof and training. Pride comes before the fall. I hope for your sake it is a short fall and your heart will abide in the Lord instead of in satan.
I had my say, you denied it. Your blood is on your hands and God wants me to just let Him do His Will upon you.
You have one to believe the truth, (the word of God) says the word of God has been done away with, and then I am deceived, that is quite interesting, another problem with that theory is the knowledge you say you have would have to be done away with.
Question how does the truth declare, truth is not truth?
imscott, what you gave was excellent and right on the money. One question I do have for you though, is you stated that the Pentecostal church began recently in the terms of time and I agree but wouldn 't you say this would have to be true of all denominations for everyone of them broke off from Rome or another Protestant denomination.
Paul reveled we only have one faith yet we have thousands faiths so wouldn't you think they are just as false as any recent religion since we only drink from one Spirit?
