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How do you rightly divide the Word of Truth?
Posted : 11 Jul, 2010 10:57 AM

How do you rightly divide the Word of Truth?



James 2 tells us faith without works is dead. It also says the poor of this world are rich in faith. Why would the poor be rich in faith? Is it because the poor have to work hard just to live, (works)? Are hard working poor people living by faith? Maybe; the poor generally work at hard labor. But this goes without saying. It is one of those truths we hold to be self evident? Do we really need to use scripture to construct a teaching that says the poor have to work?

The theme of James 2 is indeed a contrast of rich and poor. The haves and the have nots by today's label. My first thought would be that rich people do not have to rely on God being their provider as much as the poor. Therefore the poor need more faith just to get by. But digging deeper, it would be good to have clear understanding of what "Works" really means. To rightly understand God's Word we need to dig deeper. Like the wise man who built his house upon the rock. We need to build upon that solid Rock which is Christ.





�Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life"

John 6:27a.

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How do you rightly divide the Word of Truth?
Posted : 16 Jul, 2010 10:24 PM

Strong's Number: 2059

Original Word - ἑρμηνεύω

Transliterated Word - hermēneuō

Definition

1. to explain in words, expound

2. to interpret

a. to translate what has been spoken or written in a foreign tongue into the vernacular

Translated Words - KJV (4) - being interpreted, 1; by interpretation, 3;



I use the word hermeneutics when I am talking about interpreting the Bible, I do know about any greek god and do not care. We do need guide lines for interpretation to help us understand the context the way the author meant it and the way his audience understood it, in their time, in their town, and in their culture. If we do not have some guide lines to help us understand it rightly then we get PJ.

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Posted : 16 Jul, 2010 11:40 PM

There is nothing wrong with understanding the language and grammar involved. My point was that you cannot rely solely on that to interpret the bible. I will not bother quoting the scriptures, I am sure you know them as well as I do. Hermeneutics is most often used publicly by someone trying to prove a point, someone with an ax to grind.



The problem with hermeneutics is that it relies on a human, with their preconceived ideas, to decide wich verses to break down to study. We all know that you have to take the entire bible into account to understand any of it.



Blessings,

Leon

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Posted : 17 Jul, 2010 08:50 AM

Hermeneutics is most often used publicly by someone trying to prove a point, someone with an ax to grind.

Really? I have never seen or heard that happen. But that does not mean that it doesn't happen. Usually when I hear the someone use hermeneutics it is when they are rightly dividing the word. Everyone who reads the Bible uses some form or hermeneutics whether they know it or not, based on the definition I know (science of interpretation).

The unregenerate can read the Bible and understand it to some degree. I am sure most people have read some of the Bible before getting saved or at least head some scriptures quoted. (I sure hope they have) Atheist can read the bible and understand it and reject it. But it is the power of the Holy Spirit in the born again believer that they get the deep spiritual truths that changes their lives. (turning from and mortifying sin not getting healthy and wealthy)

We need guide lines and rules for interpretation so we don't get 30,000 denominations and have people falling through the cracks of watered down religion...oops we're to late!

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Posted : 17 Jul, 2010 11:25 AM

The bible interprets itself. Anything else is uninspired and the bible shouldn't be interpreted with human logic. Maybe that's the problem with all the denominations. Everyone has their own way to interpret the bible.





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Posted : 17 Jul, 2010 01:58 PM

Yes it does Mark, one only need to believe.

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Posted : 17 Jul, 2010 02:24 PM

I agree 100% Mark! That is why I am leri of these new denominations that have come around in last couple of centuries and are outside of historic Christian orthodoxy.

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Posted : 17 Jul, 2010 05:10 PM

Hello everyone:



To read the Word in English,loses much of what is to be understood by those reading.



Remember the Word of GOD is written in Hebrew,Aramaic,and Koine Greek.

We should read the Word with a Jewish and Greek mindset,not an American one.



Greek is more exact as a language,learning a little Hebrew and Greek gives a better understang of the Lord and His Word.



Just compare the English word love,with the Greek understanding of the word Love.

After that,you might want to learn some Greek.



Rightly dividing the Word according to the rules of language is very helpful.

Having a Hebrew and Greek Lexicon is very helpful.

Yet on this site,I see so many Hebrew and Greek scholars,I wonder why they do not teach Hebrew and Greek classes to others.

Freely given,freely give.



We know in part,and we prophesy in part.

Until Yesua appears and brings the New Jerusalem down,we will continue to know,and prophesy in part.



'How to Understand your Bible':

T.Norton (Or Norten) Sterret,this is a very good book about rightly dividing the Word.



Agape' and Charis:

St.George

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Posted : 17 Jul, 2010 11:31 PM

klmartin62

With all due respect and in loving kindness, how about some solid answers for these questions; not your opinions!



See how quickly my words and scriptures were twisted to mean something else?

Would you mind showing us where your words and scripture were twisted? I asked this once already; you avoided giving an answer!



That goes directly against Jesus' teachings.

Which teachings does biblical hermeneutics go against? Be specific! If you post verses, make sure they are not out of context.



BTW, why didn't you tell them where the name came from?

Why did you post this question open ended with the intent of subverting the original message? You left it to others to go out, find information, and come back here with the assumption that I use some form of pagan method to interpret the Word of God!

Why didn�t you let others know the word hermeneuo is the Greek transliteration of our word hermeneutic and can be found in John 1:38, 42; 9:7 and Hebrews 7:2 (KJV)?

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Posted : 18 Jul, 2010 02:37 AM

Okay, you want me to post the origin, I will. First, here is the Greek word you spoke of;

G2059

ἑρμηνεύω

hermēneuō

her-mayn-yoo'-o

From a presumed derivative of G2060 (as the god of language); to translate: - interpret.

The god of language. Wow. My bible says there is only one God. It also says the word kills, but the Spirit gives life. And that the world canot understand the word, only the spirit.



If you want to be a Greek scholar, fine. But without the Spirit of the Lord, you will just be another confused guy on the sidelines.



Since Schleiermacher's days, the concept of hermeneutics has acquired at least two different (related but nevertheless distinct) meanings, both of which are in use today. First, in the older sense, Biblical hermeneutics may be understood as the theological principles of exegesis; in fact, it is often virtually synonymous with 'principles of biblical interpretation', or methodology of Biblical exegesis. Second, the more recent development is to understand the term 'Biblical hermeneutics' as the broader philosophy, linguistics, etc. underpinnings of interpretation. The question is posed: "How is understanding possible?" The rationale of this approach is that, while Scripture is 'more than just an ordinary text', it is in the first instance 'text', which human beings try to understand; in this sense, the principles of understanding any text apply to the Bible as well (regardless of whatever other specifically-theological principles one might want to consider in addition to that).



Okay, her is a definition that explains modern hermeneutics. It gives you the basic story. A fourth grader can do that, it is how it fits with the rest of the bible that gives us the deeper meaning, and that was never the design of this method, although that is how it is most often used.

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Posted : 18 Jul, 2010 02:43 AM

Rapio,



Let me explain my position. There is nothing wrong with using this form of study to study the word if you are also praying and reading your whole bible. The problem comes when you try to use it to prove a point, which is the only reason for it's use on a forum.



That is because the person using it is the one that decide what verses it will be used with and which will be left out. You will never understand God's word by breaking down verses. You have to know the whole bible. It is the stories themselves where we get the truth, not the individual words.



If you want to prove a point to me, show me an example. If you are correct, it had to have happened at least once in the bible. Every other truth did.



Blessings,

Leon

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