Author	Thread: The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ?
Admin	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 7 Jul, 2010 07:15 AM Let's dig deeper; If the Cross of Christ is only about the Forgiveness of Sin then how could Jesus forgive people their sins BEFORE He went to the cross? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 10:00 AM Helen Keller when introduced to Jesus said " I already knew him I just didn't know his name". Enoch and Elijah did not see death; yet what about "the wages of sin"? Abraham was declared righteous without doing the five spiritual steps to salvation. And David who commited sins to be ashamed for even in todays society was called by God ; a man after his own heart. Some Christians get tunnel vision and don't see who God really is. They have a difficult time reconciling the God of the Old Testament with the God of the New Testament. They do not have the answer to skeptics who ask how can God be just and loving yet send a person to hell just because they live in the middle of a jungle and never heard about Jesus? Many have all the "correct" answers and doctrine, but do not see who Jesus really is. Jesus was "begotten" by God. Begotten means "from the bossom of". Jesus is the expression of God's Love and Grace for us. God's Love and Grace for us has ALWAYS existed. I would liken God's Love, Grace and Forgiveness of Sin to a hugh mountian that has always existed under the surface of the sea. Only a few realized it was there and enjoyed the relatoinship with God that believeing such a truth brings. I would liken the Cross of Christ as the cap stone placed upon the mountian penetrating above the surface of the sea; calling out to all; saying HERE IT IS !!! @ ETcallhome; shouild I report to the to the mudpile? :goofball: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 10:51 AM :ROFL: yeah,:waving: 2sparrows, but instead of reporting to the mudpile, I think we're put you in the quicksand pit, since you showed signs of strugglingon this one, we'll give you a reason to struggle:ROFL::hearts: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 11:16 AM Well I was hoping one of you could put into words what I knew in my heart to be true. As it turned out, I had to rely on God.....imange that! ...lol! :glow: Post Reply
Gary_Lane View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 02:04 PM twosparrows, how can there possibly be five steps to salvation when God says salivation is a free gift? Romans 5:15 �But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 �And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 �For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 �Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. twosparrows, out curiosity, what are the five steps to salvation, I haven't heard that one before. Also where are the scriptures that would back that up? I've yet to find any contradictions in scripture and if you have scripture for your five steps then the bible is way wrong somewhere. Thanks Gary Lane Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 02:52 PM Oh...Hello...Hey !...its Tom Lane...I mean Gary Thomas...Tom Jones...no wait...thats not RIGHT...its...its...Gary Lane now ?...Hummmm...:rolleyes: Anywho I dont see where twosparrows was talkin bout 5 steps ta Salvation...Soooo...are ya askin a question or makein a statement ? Would appreciate it ifin ya could clarify...thanxs...xo Post Reply
Gary_Lane View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 03:10 PM twosparrows, I'm curious if you believe Christ is God? Gary Lane Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 09:26 PM I believe he may be talking about what is known as the Roman's road to salvation as laid out in the book of Romans. I don't know where he stands on the Jesus is God question, but you should be a little more clear with the question. For example, I do not believe that Jesus is the Father, but I believe in His Deity. I think scripture shows this plainly. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 9 Jul, 2010 11:19 PM Wow so many fun things happened while I was gone, to bad I missed the fun, but reality calls! @GaryLane; The 5 spiritual steps; haven't you ever seen those Bible tracts, you know those little pamphets that you can read in about 4 minutes and be saved forever? The Question; is Jesus God? I could copy and paste many scriptures to show that he is. You in turn could copy and paste many scriptures to show that he isn't. Been there, Done that. I believe this can only be revealed by the Father or the Holy Spirit. I also believe the Holy Spirit has revealed to me that Jesus IS God. But please do not confuse my beliefs with Oneness doctrine or Jesus Only. If you read my posts in this thread you would have read that Jesus was begotten from God (from the bossom of God) If you do a study you will find that everything else (except wisdom) is created by God, only Jesus was Begotten or Born from God. To say Jesus is not God would be to say that God so loved the world that he subcontracted the work out to one of his creations to save it...... :ROFL: Post Reply
Gary_Lane View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 10 Jul, 2010 05:52 AM twosparrows, when you stated that Christ is begotten of God and is God is sure confusing. Either he is God or He isn't, and how is it possible God can create himself? Now, if you were referring to the physical aspects of God coming in the flesh, then that would make sense of Christ being the begotten son of God. Other than that, being God and begotten of God would not make sense. In reference to the five steps for salvation, I will have to admit I have never heard that one. Perhaps you would be kind enough to enlighten us as to those five steps? Thank you. Gary Lane Post Reply
View Profile History	The Cross of Christ = Forgiveness of Sin ? Posted : 10 Jul, 2010 06:35 AM Has anyone ever heard of Emmanuel? .Matthew chapter 1:verse 23. Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which means GOD WITH US. Or maybe the term "INCARNATED" as expressed in John chapter 1, wherein it states that, "In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD." Then it goes on to say that the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory AS OF the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." God is the Father, God is the Son, and God is the Holy Spirit, three in ONE... the miracles of God becoming human, yet He still remained God.:glow: Hope this helps understand how God is Jesus, and Jesus is the same God. Post Reply

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