Adam, what in the missst is you drinking or smoking:ROFL:
If a person continues to sin,, and does not repent the price the pay for their sins is death whthere or not its physical death, emotional death, mental death, or financial death. People who sin or who are livcing in sin don't think on God, becaeu they are SEPRARTED from Him.
If the person dies without Christ not repenting of his/her sins and does not know Jesus Christ for the forgivenness of his/her sins, the PENALTY OF THEIR SIN IS DEATH! AND THEY spend ETERNITY IN HELL!
When we sin, we are spiritually separated from God, until we repent. Jesus died so that we can be reconciled BACK to God. Redeemed, but of we continue to sin, we are separated from God and Christ forever! You will not be in fellwohip with God, and when you're not in fellwohip with a person that means you're separated from that peron..ooookkkaaaay:excited:
If you die and go to hell because of your sins, do you think God is going to be in hell with you? NO!, He will be reigning in heaven, therefore, you are eternally separated from God... you living in the penthouse in HELL screaming for cooling water,. and God living in the glory of His own presence on the streets of gold, drinking honey sweet milk:Mug::dancingp:.
So you tell me, what constitutes separation eternally, living in the same place together as one, OR you living in hell, and God living in heaven... SEPARATED for all ETERNITY!
As Flood stated or Row can't remember which one, but if you commit a crime, the judge gives out the senstence of death or life in prison, this is the penalty for breaking the law.
God's sentence for breaking His law of living in sin or for not receiving Jesus Christ, is death separated forever in hell from Him, cast into the lake of fire with satan and all idsobedient people who have rejected Christ, or who have not repented of their sins.
What bible are you reading, your own that you have written?:ROFL::rocknroll:
my point is that these other people are trying to claim the wicked don't literally die as their penalty for their sin.
floodnut, insulted and mocked my whole denomination and you agreed with his posts and gave him a "AMEN". So i would say it was the two of you who pooped in my cornflakes.
I rewrote those verses with their own doctrine substituted, in order to show how absurd it sounded.
Adam shared ~ God's Jude,my point is that these other people are trying to claim the wicked don't literally die as their penalty for their sin.
*** NO...we all agree in Death is the Penalty for Sin as the Bible/GOD says so...and that is in an of its self a Eternal Seperation from GOD period !!! We get yer Point here...
floodnut, insulted and mocked my whole denomination and you agreed with his posts and gave him a "AMEN". So i would say it was the two of you who pooped in my cornflakes.
*** Yes he slamed Adventisits...thats betwix you an him...and if you took the time ta read another post of mine...well...read it please...
I rewrote those verses with their own doctrine substituted, in order to show how absurd it sounded.
*** OK...we got that...Im not sure whats more absurd here...The Insult or the Doctrine substituted or the Poopin in the Wheatys comment I made...:rolleyes:...xo
"Christ is not Eternally Seperated from GOD...He Asended to the Father in Heaven...Why would think or write that anyway ?"
I know that Christ isn't eternally separated from God.
I don't know where our wires are getting crossed...but my point is; if the penalty for sin is eternal separation from God, that would mean Christ has not paid the proper penalty.
Yet we know that Christ DID PAY the proper penalty for sin, this means eternal separation from God IS NOT the penalty for sin.
This means that the Bible meant exactly what it said, the penalty is "death".
That is all I'm saying. I'm sorry if rewriting those passages with ETcalledhome & floodnuts claims confused the point I was making.
"If the person dies without Christ not repenting of his/her sins and does not know Jesus Christ for the forgivenness of his/her sins, the PENALTY OF THEIR SIN IS DEATH! AND THEY spend ETERNITY IN HELL! "
In a future where there is no sin, no sinners, no death, no pain, no tears, etc... then how can sinners spend an eternity in hell?
I think that is a perfectly valid question, isn't it? Can you explain that one point?
Romans Chap 6 is about our master. If we have Christ then sin isn't our master, the Lord is. Death no longer has a claim on us. Pauk warns against continuing in sin because of grace.
Jesus was without sin. It was wrong for him to be put to death. That was to be our punishment. But before we got to the cross, Jesus stole our identity and took our place.
I don't know why, but sin is only paid for by the shedding of blood. Jesus shead his for us. This took away our sins. He is the Lamb that was slain. But He is not seperated from God because as Jesus said in John 10:30, "The Father and I are one."(meaning one essance or a unity)
Now as to death from sin. Short term it can be seperation from God. Long term it can be eternal punishment. Jesus warned many times of it and gave an example in Luke chap 16. John saw the lost being trown into the lake of fire. I know Jesus and John and I believe them.
Here's a verse: Acts 19:15, "And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I kow about Paul, but who are you.
Psalm 119:89 Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in Heaven.:rocknroll::bouncy:
AdamW, I AM biased. I oppose the errors of Adventism. You also OPPOSE what you perceive to be error. But hell is eternal torment, and Ellen G. White will never change that.
But SDAs are not heretics like JWs, who deny the deity of Christ. I see that even though you are deceived by your false prophetess founder, you still love the Lord Jesus. AND that my dear brother must remain the center of our fellowship. Our love for Jesus.
Yep, I mock and ridicule error, just like the prophet when he challenged the false prophets of Baal. Just like Jesus did when he jumped on the pharisees on the south steps of the Temple, as recorded in Matt. 24.
You asked: If Christ isn't eternally separated from God then explain how he has paid the proper penalty?
I don't have to "EXPLAIN" it. I just believe it. He came in the flesh so that as ETERNAL GOD, He could pay the penalty in HIS one death, physically on the Cross to redeem man and satisfy the wrath of God, which had promised that the penalty mere humans would pay would be eternal torment. HIS ONCE FOR ALL PHYSICAL DEATH, in the shedding of his blood on the Cross, redeemed me from all death, physical, spiritual, eternal. BUT HE Did not suffer eternal death to redeem me from eternal death. AS ETERNAL GOD (All CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THIS) Jesus in His literal physical death redeemed us and saved us to the uttermost who come to God by Him. His physical death paid the penalty due us, and was a propitiation, satisfying the wrath of God.
No one will never stop being a deceived Adventist until the Lord God by His spirit rescues you.
I know, I know the Beatles said, "All you need is Love," but God says speak the TRUTH, out of loving concern for the deceived who are driven and tossed. I am trying to do a spiritual Heimlich maneuver, and it doesn't look pretty in progress and the result isn't pretty either, but it IS Life saving.
JWs are not a denomination. They are not Christian. They are no closer to being Christian than are the Muslims and Hindus. These are FALSE RELGIONS, not "denominations."
SDA is a denomination, but a group of sincere and diligent Christian brothers and sisters who are deceived about Hell and observing the Law of Moses. I have lots of friends who are SDA. They think I am deceived and unenlightened, and I think they are deceived.
Would it be better if I pretended they are not deceived and just have a minor "difference of opinion?" That is in the Beatles world of "Imagine," but not in the real world that God reveals in the Truth of His wordl
