Author	Thread: Infinity
Admin	Infinity Posted : 20 Jun, 2010 07:02 PM Why would a good God allow people to be tortured in hell forever?:devil: In Christ Steve Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 12:47 PM I don't believe that people that end up in hell just "don't exist". They're punished according to their ways. I'd say Hitler will suffer a lot more than the average sinner, but I don't know. But God burns/punishes the entire earth right in front of the holy city. Sinners and all. So where is hell when God recreates the earth? :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 01:14 PM uh...huh? Mark what are you speaking? Please explain what you're sying here. Thanks. Post Reply
View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 01:50 PM No, it is God the judge who sends people to hell. How else would they get there, they do not go voluntary. He sends them because of their offenses against Him. Because of their SINS! People don't go line up out side a prison when they commit a crime, the judge sends them to prison. Post Reply
View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 02:46 PM In other words when you run a stop sign and cause a wreck, it is the lord that punished you. The God I serve will not be in hell!!!, nor on his way there. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 06:51 PM In revelation 20. The wicked are raised from the dead, they gather outside the Holy City, and are judged and punished according to their works. "Death", "Hell", and whoever was not found in the book of life are thrown in the lake of fire and suffer the second death. No more pain, no more sin...and no sinners existing on fire in some wormhole off in the galaxy or whatever. All punished fairly and justly. I have been thinking a lot about God's character lately. When was the first time we humans actually saw God's character and motives in action? Jesus, right? So everything in the bible that God does has to be explained with the character of Jesus as the foundation. God and Jesus are the same. We only know what God is like through Jesus. So what would Jesus do when it comes to the punishment of sinners? Burn everyone in hell for eternity no matter what they did? Or judge and punish each according to their sin and then destroy them? And I do not believe we do not have an immortal soul that suffers forever in hell. Only God is immortal. Only the saved receive eternal life. There is no life separated from God. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 07:20 PM Mark sense Mark, If you as a saved person are going to have eternal life with the Lord, where are those who are in hell which God describes as the second death of judgment, goint o spend their eternal life. Sooo ain't gone be walking aorund heaven all day. I wonder what Bible some you of guys are reading. It all right there in front of you since you mention Revelation, maybe you should read Revelation chpater 21 to the end of the book. So are you saying after they have spend some time in the lake of fire, God is going to let them out? )shaking my head in confusion...lol) God says there will be gashing of teeth, so what's going on here, will they the gashing thetir teeth because they have need of a dentist... oh, call Luke the physician... takes some herbs for pain....:ROFL::excited::excited::goofball::prayingf: Post Reply
View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 22 Jun, 2010 07:38 PM Mark, If you're burning in Hell in the lake of fire, isn't that the same as being destroiyed? I think so. And yes, Mark just as your sipirit in body form will be gloryified and the spirit in heaven, so will your spirit in body form burn in hell according to what MY bible tells me. Has anyone read about Lazarus and the rich man in Luke chapter 16. I think the problem is that many are skimming thorugh the Bible and only reading certain verses and not whole chapters or the books of the Bible as they should be for spiritual knowledge. immortals and immortality?.... So Mark if you don't believe in immortality, what body form will we enter heaven, since flesh and blood can't enter. Try reading I Corinthians chapters 15-16. Then come back so we can discuss the matter ...:hearts: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Infinity Posted : 23 Jun, 2010 02:34 PM *sigh* We are not immortal now. We receive eternal life when Jesus comes. Do you believe sinners are immortal before they die and "go to hell"? Because Paul says God alone has immortality, and he also says we are "corruptible" and "mortal" until Jesus comes again. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus does not over-ride the rest of the bible. The typical interpretation of that parable contradicts so much of the bible that Jesus had to be trying to get another point across. There's a ton of verses...just this one is enough... Acts 2:34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand" But there's some more. Matthew 10:28 Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell. Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10 The dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. ... For there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave. John 5:28, 29 All that are in the grave shall hear his voice, And shall come forth. Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Ezekiel 18:4 . The soul that sinneth, it shall die. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 . We shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, ... and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. John 11:11, 14 . Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; ... Lazarus is dead. Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. 2 Samuel 7:12 Thou shalt sleep with thy fathers. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 Them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 2 Peter 2:6 . And turning the cities of sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly. John 12:48 . The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to ... reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished. Matthew 13:40-42 So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather ... them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire. John 5:28, 29 . The hour is coming, in the which all that are in the dead shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; ... they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Job 21:30, 32 The wicked is reserved to the day of destruction. ... Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb. Psalms 37:10, 20 . For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be. ... But the wicked shall perish, ... into smoke shall they consume away. Malachi 4:1, 3 The day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; ... and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up. ... And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet. Revelation 20:9 . They went up on the breadth of the city, and compassed the camp of the saints about, ... and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 2 Peter 3:10 The elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Isaiah 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. :peace::peace: Post Reply

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