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Admin	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 4 Jun, 2010 11:21 AM Hi everyone I just want to clarify what I think this thread is for.I would welcome everyones veiws.I beleive this thread is for discussing theological issues and to intelligently and civilly debate points that we disagree on. It is not for someone to just come on and tell everyone else their wrong,obviouslly we know people have differences of opinion and theology,we should be able to make our points logically,without emotion. Also Im kind of tired of the,why cant we all just get along thing.I dont hate people who disagree with me,but I will state my beleifs(and back them up with scripture,articles from wiser men than I. If someone doesnt like discussing theology there are many other threads,I happen to love it,I find deep theological issues to be intoxicating! Oh well,just some thoughts In Christ steve P.S.we can respect each other,and even love each other and have meaningful,grownup debates. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 5 Jun, 2010 02:33 PM Oh, what have I started??? :ROFL: I read your replies and got a good idea where al you stand. I liked your replies. Dennis Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 5 Jun, 2010 02:43 PM Yeah yeah...I do actually believe in once saved always saved. God knows who is saved. The point I have a problem with is the people claiming they know they are "real" Christians and there's no way they could be these "false" Christians that fall away after awhile. And I'm really tired of "no man can pluck him out of God's hand". Denying that God can choose to drop a man out of His hand is denying God's sovereignty. Sin separates us from God. I've seen too many people that claim to be "saved", yet are so full of pride, or so unmerciful, or that choose to willfully ignore what God asks them to do...to do what they want to do. So my only thing is "How do you know you aren't a false Christian? Just waiting for thorns to choke you out or the sun to dry you up?" There is no way to know. We can't read the book of life. We can only hope. Claiming you're "saved and you can't fall away" is presumption, and I'm sure people are tired of that word but it is true. "I know the future, I know I will be saved, I know I will not fall away, I am a true christian". That...my friends...is presumption of the highest order. :peace::peace: Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 5 Jun, 2010 05:37 PM Mark, You made some very good points. I still believe the truly saved will persevere, but who knows who they are, other than God? All we can do is as the epistles tell us, lots of self examination. It is not my job or place to judge another's salvation. That is God's job and He hasn't asked for my help. LOL. Paul and James give us many things to look for in ourselves. Just my thoughts. Be blessed, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 5 Jun, 2010 07:56 PM Oh but I think with some people who claim the name of Jesus we can know if they are false converts. One way is if they have a doctrine of salvation that is in error then that would be a sure sign they are false Christians. If they are preaching a different Jesus would prove a lot also. Another is to judge their fruits. If they are living a life style of sin it would be safe to say they are a false Christian. That doesnt mean we can know every time but we are not "totally" blind to who may or may not be true Chrisitans. And that is a blessing really. If we see our brother in error and correct him in love and he listens we save our brother. It would be safe to say we can not tell who lives a life style of sin from here but you can see the doctrines of some on here and that is a good indication that they may be a false Christian or they are just a babe in Christ and the Holy Spirit is still teaching them. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 5 Jun, 2010 09:11 PM That's true, but even "Christians" that do miracles and all kinds of holy fruitful things will also be in the "I never knew you" category. We can only hope. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 6 Jun, 2010 03:21 AM Im not gonna lie here Mark i do see your point sometimes.Ther are somedays where I feel,or question my "election" And those days really bother me! As a matter of fact,i had one of those days very recently.Its a scary feeling.If I was saved how could I....... but then i also ask myself,If I wasnt "elect" Would it even bother me so much,if at all? In Christ Steve Its Christ in us,the hope of glory! Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 6 Jun, 2010 06:00 AM I agree with Mark. Just like you turn towards God with your will and heart, you can choose to turn away. Sin's remedy for us who belong to God is to repent quickly. No one can 'pluck' you from His hand, but you. Thankfully our emotional status is NEVER an indication of our salvation. That's why its a favorite tool of Satan. As for the original thread topic, the lack of love and pride is the most vexing about thing about what goes on down here. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 6 Jun, 2010 06:12 AM I agree with Mark. Just like you turn towards God with your will and heart, you can choose to turn away. Sin's remedy for us who belong to God is to repent quickly. No one can 'pluck' you from His hand, but you. Thankfully our emotional status is NEVER an indication of our salvation. That's why its a favorite tool of Satan. As for the original thread topic, the lack of love and pride is the most vexing about thing about what goes on down here. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 6 Jun, 2010 07:06 AM Denying that God can choose to drop a man out of His hand is denying God's sovereignty. The whole idea someone can lose their salvation flies in the face of what true sovereignty is! If they where, so to speak, "dropped" from the Fathers hand, means they were never there in the first place. And just because someone hears the Word and responds to it in a wrong way for a season and then falls away means they where never saved in the first place. They lacked true repentance or was just trying Christianity in experimental fashion. And a season could be 20 yrs. If they do not endure to the end means they were never part of Christ in the first place. That is "open theism". Means God doesn't know the future and He is surprised or caught off guard when someone falls away. God knows the beginning and the end and everything detail in between in every ones life and through all of history that is true sovereignty! 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 6 Jun, 2010 07:41 AM And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? The sower soweth the word. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. Post Reply

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