* Num 22:28; 1Ki 17:4; Psa 29:9; Jer 8:7; Eze 32:4; Dan 6:22
The operations of all creation
Gen 8:22; Psa 104:5-10; Psa 104:13-14; Psa 104:19-20; Mark 4:39
Man is not permitted to question his sovereign acts
2. Job 33:12-13; Isa 29:16; Isa 45:9-10; Mat 20:1-16; Rom 9:19-24
God elects [i.e. chooses, predestines, foreordains]
1. His angels
1Tim 5:21
2. His peculiar people, Israel
Exo 6:7; Deu 7:6-8; Deu 10:14-15; Psa 33:12; Isa 43:20-21
3. Individuals to salvation
4. Psa 65:4; Mat 24:24; John 6:37; John 15:16; Act 13:48; Rom 8:28-30; Rom 9:10-24; Rom 11:5-7; Eph 1:3-6; Eph 1:11-12; 1The 1:4; 1The 5:9; 2The 2:13-14
Individuals to condemnation
Exo 4:21; Rom 9:13; Rom 9:17-18; Rom 9:21-22; 1Pet 2:8
His motivation in election
1. His own good pleasure
Eph 1:5; 2Tim 1:9
2. The display of his glory
Isa 43:6-7; Rom 9:22-24; 1Cor 1:27-31; Eph 2:4-7; Pro 16:4
3. His special love
Deu 7:6-8; 2The 2:13
4. His foreknowledge
Rom 8:29; 1Pet 1:2
* Which means his special love
* Jer 1:5; Amos 3:2; Mat 7:22-23; 1Cor 8:3; 2Tim 2:19; 1Pet 1:20
But not:
* Any good [nobility, wisdom, power, choice, seeking] he foresees in anyone Deu 7:7; Rom 9:11-13; Rom 9:16; Rom 10:20; 1Cor 1:27-29; 1Cor 4:7; 2Tim 1:9
We can see from these verses that God is UTTERLY sovereign over every tiny particle of the universe, and that includes the Salvation of every Christian.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 09:42 AM
Yes Mark,but by logically reversing this verse we conclude,that if their names were not found written in the book of life before the foundations of the earth,that some names are written in the book of life before the found....get my meaning,that because of gods election some names are blotted out.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 09:56 AM
For PhillipJohn,
Yes, we are to take dominion over the earth. And this means that not only are we to use and take care of the earth, but taking dominion in this age, means to bring in the Kingdom of God in all aspects, and Christians are doing this to some degree.
We have schools and orphanages, and hospitals, and all kinds of charities. We try to vote for leaders who will follow godly principles in government.
But that does not mean that God is not in control of some areas of His creation, ONLY that we are RESPONSIBLE for certain things.
PhillipJohn, there are THREE things you should always remember when reading the Bible:
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 09:58 AM
In comes the Arminian, to puff up the sinners pride!
"Man naturally would be a god to himself, though for clambering so high he got his fall; and whatever doctrine nourisheth a good opinion of man in his own eye, this is acceptable to him; and this hath spawned another fry of dangerous errors -- the Pelagian and Semi-Pelagian, which set nature upon its legs, and persuade man he got alone to Christ, or at least with a little external help, of a hand to lead, or argument to excite, without creating any work in the soul. O, we cannot conceive how glib such stuff goes down. If one workman should tell you that your house is rotten, and must be pulled down, and all new materials prepared; and another should say, No such matter; such a beam is good, and such a spar may stand--a little cost will serve the turn; it were no wonder that you should listen to him that would put you to least cost and trouble. The faithful servants of Christ tell sinners from the Word, that man in his natural state is corrupt and rotten, that nothing of the old frame will serve, and there must needs be all new; but in comes an Arminian, and blows up the sinner's pride, and tells him he is not so weak or wicked as the other represents him. If thou wilt, thou mayest repent and believe; or, at least, by exerting thy natural abilities oblige God to superadd that thou hast not. This is the workman that will please proud man best."
- William Gurnall (The Christian in Complete Armour pg. 81)
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 10:35 AM
Steve, I understand what You believe, I am not confused and you prove your point by everything you say and your faith is in calvinism, not in the word, there is life and death in what you say and what the bible Says.
Again I ask you both what does the bible teach concerning the Christian's authority in the new covenant.
By the way, this is not a dig and I do not say it as such, but Jesus said this in:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Man that is not born again is under Satan's dominion or power,
This is another scripture relative to the post topic, that agrees with all others.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
opps there he goes again.
Steve you imply I am wrong because I do not agree with what you say the bible says
My Stance is I believe what is written in the word as it is written,
You say the bible says what you say it says.
Again what is the believer's responsibility in this covenant, who are we to reign with, and who are we to reign over.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 10:42 AM
Jude I believe the point is, that some want you to believe them, and I realize they say I am wrong and that is ok also, the issue is the word tells us we are to be able to answer all things.
There seems to be a blockage about the interpretation doctrine also,
I say I dont interpret, you say I misinterpret, well I guess it is the same oh thing.
I am still waiting on your biblical instruction for interpretation.
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 11:22 AM
PJ said ~ Jude I believe the point is, that some want you to believe them, and I realize they say I am wrong and that is ok also, the issue is the word tells us we are to be able to answer all things.
Yup !...
PJ said ~ There seems to be a blockage about the interpretation doctrine also, I say I dont interpret, you say I misinterpret, well I guess it is the same oh thing.
I did not say this...:rolleyes:...I dont interpet either...My Pastor & Holy Spirit teaches me...
PJ said ~ I am still waiting on your biblical instruction for interpretation.
Ummmm Ima not an interpretor...is this question for someone else ?...xo...:winksmile:
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 12:30 PM
Yes mam it is for Steve and James
When I came to the lord I had to renew my mind to the word of God, I was brought up Catholic, it was hard to accept just because you are this, or that does not make it right. No man or woman is ever right when they faith is based on the word Of God. The Good news is when you find out the truth, you then realize you can pray for your family and God will answer based on his word, not on means words.
Why do some people want you to believe in their version of God, and their God is confused, it seems as if he cannot remember what he said according to some People.
Really Do you know this verses does not mean what it say's:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Some want you to believe them and not him: because world does not mean world
Just HOW MUCH control does God have over everything?
Posted : 14 May, 2010 01:44 PM
i dont know if anyone else posted along these lines as i do not have the time at the moment to read through all the posts. the bible teaches both the free will of man and the control of God. satan may be the "owner/god" of this world, but it has to be remembered that both satan and man is still under Gods authority, nothing happens without Gods permission/allowance/direction. in the book of job, God is the one that pointed job out to satan, and it was God that gave satan permission to do anything and everything to job (except kill him). if man and satan had complete control then, humanity would have destroyed itself thousands of years ago through sin. i am sorry if i dont make any sense, im strapped for time at the moment, i will try to explain it better later on if i can.
