Ellen G. White is no more a prophetess than Barack Obama is a Rocket Scientist. http://www.bible.ca/7-prophecy-blunders.htm
To be a prophet or prophetess the person needs to be correct 100% of the time. If they are correct 99.9% of the time they have failed the test of a prophet.
Yet the SDA's continue in their deception and walk in denial to the truth. You can show them point blank White's false teachings and failed prophecies and they still continue in their deception. That's how deception works because the person who is deceived doesn't even know it.
For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, �Take, eat: this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.� In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, �This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.� For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord�s death till He comes.1 Corinthians 11:17-22
That is pretty strong "Biblical" evidence Jesus said to do this to remember Him. I do not see anywhere it says to do it only on passover, but to do it and when you do, remember. It is not a salvation command it is worship.
There is only one reason anyone goes to hell and that is sin. Not obeying is sin. All the other things baptism, sabbath, tongues are just legalistic yokes.
As far as accepting Jesus, I think us Christians need to clean our language up and use Biblical terms. Please tell me what verse says, "ask Jesus in your heart" or "accept Jesus"? I see receive as the word we should be using instead of accept. Does the lesser accept the greater? Is God up there just hoping you will accept Him? or ask Him to come into your heart? What I see is repent with a contrite heart and broken spirit and trust Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.
I disagree with you about picking apart all the domination's and what they teach. We should take all the teaching out there and run it through a Biblical filter or we will follow any new heresy that comes along and tickles our ears. There are plenty of ear ticklers these days and plenty of people following them.
I can not agree more with you about smashing our 21 century western understanding in the Bible to interpret it. And I know to many people who are guilty of that and can even see it here in these forums. I am going to a word study workshop at the end of the month so I can get into the original language to do study cause I do not want to rely on a faulty English translation. What we have is good but not 100% accurate.
I am so for learning with an open mind, there are some things my mind is closed to because I have found the truth. I got categories I put my Biblical knowledge in. The things I know that are 100% accurate no budging on that stuff. The things I have a pretty good understanding on but not rock solid and if someone can take the Bible and can accurately interpret the text I am very open for learning. And then the things I know nothing about and I want to learn.
I appreciate the support, Thunder. The SDA health principles are not written in stone by the finger of God. They're not prophecy. It confused me as to why the topic poster decided to use the SDA health message as ammo...especially when adventists are recognized as some of the healthiest people in the world...responsible for the only "blue zone" in the united states. Anyway...I eat cheese, drink milk...I eat eggs in...like...cake and stuff. I refer to them as fharts-in-a-shell otherwise(sorry...I just don't like them, lol). But I have to say...you can't tell me that those things are good for you....because even human science would disagree. A vegetarian diet is the human diet. Killing and eating animals is not the God-designed way for humans to exist. There will be no death in heaven...are we going to be eating animal flesh there? Why not get ready? Anyway...it's not a requirement for salvation...but someone that abuses their body with food is just as wrong as someone that commits fornication, drunkenness, or drug abuse. We should be trying to present our bodies as a living sacrifice to God to be an example to the world that His way is the best way. It's a christian witness to God's perfect plan.
As far as the biblical teachings of the SDA church, I can prove all of my beliefs from the bible. I, personally, have only read 2 Ellen white books...and even those were a long time ago, but I don't need "her" to prove my beliefs, and even she said that Christians don't even need to read her stuff as long as they just read the bible without pride and without placing their long-held traditions into it. As far as her "prophecies". Every word that comes out of a supposed "prophet's" mouth is not all prophecy. Even so, what she has said agrees with my view of the scripture...so whether or not you agree....she counts as a messenger from God to me. I'm a bad adventist though. I don't worship her. I barely read her. I don't need her to prove my beliefs. So either I'm way off-base in following my church's beliefs...or some crazy adventists take it too far....just like in every other...HUMAN...organization/church/government. I would like to see a bible verse that says everything a prophet says has to come true and be 100% right. "Test them with the scriptures". Yes. "You will know them by their fruits". Yes. "They can never utter a word that's not 100% right". Don't think so. Balaam? Jonah? Elijah? HUMAN prophets that lost hope, got greedy, disobeyed God directly...hmm...guess not. Anyway...look at the life of Ellen White. I would say that she is one of the few humans that was "supposedly" a prophet...that tried to live what she "preached". You don't see that very much. Take the founder of the Mormons for instance...I would say there's a marked difference between alleged prophet Joseph Smith's attempts at a Godly life and alleged prophet Ellen White's attempts. You will know them by their fruits. Prophet or not, Ellen White was a good christian that tried to follow what she believed. What is interesting to me...is that a relatively small denomination like Adventists....gets so much "hate mail" over following what they believe to be the truth. I mean...the way some denominations hold onto their "bible warriors"? Calvin, Wesley, Luther, the Popes, etc...people listen to them and follow them like they're infallible...but because Adventists had a "prophet"...that makes us a evil cult. Right. Anyway. Being a "prophet" does not make you suddenly infallible and perfect. If God only used perfect people He wouldn't have anyone to work with...so picking prophets apart like they're suddenly perfect/infallible all the time...is kinda pointless. If you're looking for a perfect prophet that doesn't make mistakes...there's never been one...except Jesus.
As far as the Sunday thing. It may be that SDA's jump on it because we view it as the most widely held "false teaching"...but the mark of the beast is not "Worshiping on Sunday". The mark of the beast is the opposite of the mark of God. The people that are marked by God in the last days will be keeping God's commandments and will have the testimony of Jesus. So the opposite would be people that don't keep the commands of God and the don't have the testimony of Jesus, the ones that hold onto the traditions of men. The mark "in the forehead, and in the hands" is symbolism for what you think and what you do.
Deut. 11:13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, 14 That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil. 15 And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full. 16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; 17 And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. 19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates: 21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth. 22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him; 23 Then will the LORD drive out all these nations from before you, and ye shall possess greater nations and mightier than yourselves. 24 Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be. 25 There shall no man be able to stand before you: for the LORD your God shall lay the fear of you and the dread of you upon all the land that ye shall tread upon, as he hath said unto you.
26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; 27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: 28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Numbers 15:37 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: 39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a w-horing: 40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God. 41 I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.
Anyway....Adventists view worshiping on Sunday as the biggest and most "traditionally held" misconception about God's commands so I think we harp on it a little much...but as an Adventist....I believe, as does the SDA church, that if a "Sunday-keeper" died right now...holding on to Jesus and what he/she truly believes to be the truth...then He's not going to hell. :stop:Adventists believe that the HUGE VAST MAJORITY of TRUE followers of God are NOT ADVENTISTS:stop:. However. If, in the last days, God clearly calls His people out of confusion and error(including adventist people) and back into keeping all His commands...and clearly shows it to everyone...then everyone who does not change and follow God word will...by default...be included with those who do not truly worship/love God, and they will receive the mark of the beast. People who murder, people who steal, people who commit adultery, people who covet, people that worship idols, people that take God's name in vain...and people that do not keep the sabbath holy...all will receive the mark of the beast if they do not repent. It's not just "Sunday". The mark of the beast is following traditions of men over or instead of God's 10 commandments. His 10 royal eternal moral laws that show His character. Any of them. I believe that if you're not honestly trying to serve God in every way that you can...then there's something wrong with your walk. I know I struggle and fall constantly, but that's why Jesus died. To cover our mistakes....but not to make it so that we don't have to try. I hope you can see the difference between legalism and this belief. I'm not advocating perfection. We will never be able to be perfect...but we have to at least be trying to walk like Jesus or we're not truly converted/saved yet. A christian is a changed and changing creature. If you stop striving toward the goal, then the race is lost. Anyway...I'm getting long-winded and away from the topic. Try to be like Jesus. The End.
1 Cor. 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
*giggle* I love it when you find a clear bible verse that supports your point:winksmile::purpleangel::ribbit:.
Deuteronomy 8:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.� And if you say in your heart, �How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?�� when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously;
Think it is pretty clear if they claim to speack for God and they are wrong, KILL"EM!!!
Still supports mine too:goofball:. That's not talking about prophecies coming true all the time. Just says that it's wrong if someone pretends a prophecy is from God when they know it isn't.
...that prophet shall die...when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken
