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Will You Accept what the Bible teaches about Mankinds Nature?
Posted : 16 Apr, 2010 09:15 PM

The view one takes concerning Salvation will be determined, to a

large extent, by the view one takes concerning sin and its effects on

human nature. When Calvinists speak of man as being totally depraved,

they mean that man's nature is corrupt, perverse, and sinful

throughout. It does not mean that man is as totally wicked as he can

be. "total" is used to indicate that the WHOLE of man's being has

been affected by sin.



A. As a result of Adams transgression, men are born in sin and by

nature are spiritually dead: therefore, if they are to become God's

children and enter His kingdom, they must be born anew of the Spirit.



1. When Adam was placed in the garden of Eden, he was warned not to

eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the threat

of immediate SPIRITUAL death.

Genesis 2:16,17: and the Lord commanded the man, saying, "You may

freely eat of every tree on the garden; but of the tree of the

knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat

of it you shall die."



2. Adam disobeyed and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:1-7);

consequently, he brought spiritual death upon himself and upon the

whole human race.

Romans 5:12; Therefore as sin came into the world through one man

[Adam, see vs. 14] and DEATH through sin, and so death spread to all

men because all men sinned.



EPHESIANS 2:1-3 and you he MADE ALIVE, when you were DEAD through

trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of

this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit

that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Among these we all

once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of

body and mind, and so we were BY NATURE children of wrath, like the

rest of mankind.



Colossians 2:13; And you who were DEAD in trespasses and the

uncircumcision of your flesh, GOD MADE ALIVE together with him,

having forgiven us all our trespasses.



3. David confessed that he, as well as all other men, was born in

sin.



Psalm 51:5; Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did

my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3; The wicked go astray from the womb, the err from their

birth, speaking lies.



4. Because men are born in sin and are by nature spiritually dead,

Jesus taught that men must be born anew if they are to enter God's

kingdom.

John 3:5-7; Jesus answered, "Truly, Truly, I say unto you, unless

one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot ENTER the kingdom of

God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is

born of the Spirit is Spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you,

'YOU MUST BE BORN ANEW'" compare John 1:12,13



B. As a result of the fall, men are blind and deaf to spiritual truth.

Their minds are darkened by sin; their hearts are corrupt and evil.



Gen. 6:5; The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the

earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS

ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.



Gen. 8:21...The imagination of man's heart is EVIL from his youth..

Ecclesiastes 9:3...The HEARTS of men are FULL OF EVIL, and madness is

in their hearts while they live...



Jeremiah 17:9; The HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, and

DESPERATELY CORRUPT; who can understand it?

Mark 7:21-23; "For from within, OUT OF THE HEART OF MAN, come evil

thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness,

deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these

evil things come from within, and they defile a man."



John 3:19; And this is the judgment, that the light has come into

the world, and MEN LOVED DARKNESS, rather than light because their

deeds were evil.

Romans 8:7,8; For the MIND that is set on the flesh is hostile to

God; IT does not submit to God's law, indeed it CANNOT; and those who

are in the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD.

1 Corinthians 2:14: The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts

of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and, HE IS NOT ABLE

TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned.



Ephesians 4:17-19: Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that

you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their

minds; they are DARKENED IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING, alienated from the

life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, DUE TO THEIR

HARDNESS OF HEART; they have become callous and have given themselves

up to licentiousness, greedy to practice every kind of uncleanness.



Ephesians 5:8 For once you were DARKNESS, but now you are light in the

Lord...

Titus 1:15: To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and

unbelieving nothing is pure; THEIR VERY MINDS AND CONSCIENCES ARE

CORRUPTED.





C. Before sinners are born into God's kingdom through the

regenerating power of the Spirit, they are children of the Devil and

under his control; they are slaves to sin.



John 8:44 You are of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and YOUR WILL is to do

your father's desires.

Ephesians 2:1,2; And you he made alive, when you were dead through

the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the

course of this world, FOLLOWING THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR,

the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.



2 Timothy 2:25,26; God may perhaps grant that they will repent and

come to know the truth, and they may escape from THE SNARE OF THE

DEVIL, after being CAPTURED BY HIM TO DO HIS WILL.



1 John 3:10; By this it may be seen who are the children of God,

and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not do right is

not of God, nor he who does not love his brother.

1John 5:19; We know that we are of God, and the whole world is IN

THE POWER OF THE EVIL ONE.



John 8:34; Jesus answered them, "Truly , Truly, I say to you,

every one who commits sin is a SLAVE TO SIN".

Romans 6:20; When you were SLAVES OF SIN, you were free in regard to

righteousness.

Titus 3:3; For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led

astray, SLAVES to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in

malice and envy, hated by men and hating one another.





D. The reign of sin is universal; all men are under it's power;

consequently, none is righteous---not even one!



2 Chronicles 6:36; ....for there is NO MAN who does not sin...

Job 15:14-16; What is a man, that he can be clean? Or he that is

born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust

in his holy ones, and the heavens are not clean in his sight; how

much less one who is abominable and corrupt, A MAN WHO DRINKS

INIQUITY LIKE WATER!



PSALM 130:3; If Thou, O Lord, shouldst mark iniquities, Lord,

WHO COULD STAND?

Psalm 143:2; Enter not into judgment with thy servant; for

NO MAN LIVING is righteous before Thee.

Proverbs 20:9; Who can say, "I have made my heart clean; I am pure

from my sin?"

Ecclesiastes 7:20: Surely there is NOT A RIGHTEOUS MAN ON EARTH

who does good and never sins.

Ecclesiastes 7:29; Behold, this alone I found, that God made man

upright, but they have sought out many devices.



Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every

one to his own way...

Isaiah 64:6; We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our

righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a

leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.



Romans 3:9-12; What then? are we Jews any better off? No, not at

all; for I have already charged that ALL MEN, both Jews and Greeks,

ARE UNDER THE POWER OF SIN, as it is written; "NONE is righteous, no,

not one; no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned

aside, together they have gone wrong; NO ONE DOES GOOD,NOT EVEN ONE."

James 3:2,8; For we all make many mistakes, and if any one makes no

mistakes in what he says he is a perfect man, able to bridle the

whole body also...but no human being can tame the tongue--

a restless evil, full of deadly poison.



I John 1:8,10; If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and

the truth is not in us..If we say we have not sinned, we make him a

liar, and his word is not in us.





E. Men left in their dead state are unable of themselves to repent,

to believe the gospel, or to come to Christ. They have no power

within themselves to change their natures or to prepare themselves for

salvation.





JOB 14:4; Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?

There is not one.

Jeremiah 13:23; Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his

spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil.



Matthew 7:16-18 YOU will know them by their fruits. Are grapes

gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree

bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree

cannot bear evil fruit, NOR CAN A BAD TREE BEAR GOOD FRUIT.

Matthew 12:33 "Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or

make the tree bad, and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its

fruit."



John 6:44; NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS the Father who sent me

DRAWS HIM; and I will raise him up on the last day.



John 6:56; And he said, "This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN COME

TO ME UNLESS IT IS GRANTED HIM BY THE FATHER."



Romans 11:35,36; "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be

repaid?" For from him and through him and to him ARE ALL THINGS.

to him be glory forever. AMEN.



1 Corinthians 2:14; The UNSPIRITUAL MAN does not receive the gifts

of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and HE IS NOT ABLE

TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 4:7; For who sees anything different in you? What

have you that you did not receive? If then you received it,

WHY DO YOU BOAST AS IF IT WERE NOT A GIFT?



2 Corinthians 3:5; Not that we are SUFFICIENT OF OURSELVES to claim

anything as coming from us; our sufficiency is FROM GOD.







From these Scriptures we see that we are unable of ourselves to do

anything toward gaining salvation. We must rely totally on God's

mercy and love.





Sincerely,

James

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Will You Accept what the Bible teaches about Mankinds Nature?
Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 03:03 AM

maybe.....enlightened......woken up.......read things how they are written?

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 03:04 AM

or not following false prophets?

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 05:58 AM

man of God you just gave yourself excellent counsel, I encourage you to do as you have said.



Here's how one is Born again hear the word on salvation, believe as the word encourages, and then confess it with your mouth.



7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 06:43 AM

philip john ,go counsel yourself dude!cuz you dont even make sense!Your always asking everybody whats the point after they make a pretty good point,I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man so I suggest you study a little more.

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 09:07 AM

PhillipJohn. You say that in order to be born again you have to DO three things (I abbrevate a bit for we all know what's meant):

1. hear

2. believe

3. confess



When God speaks, how could one not hear unless God hardened his heart (the bible always mentiones that God hardened someone's heart if he did not follow God after more or less obvios signs. If it was all about decision, why does the bible not say the Pharao decided to not believe that Mose was God's prophet?)



If you hear God, how can you not believe? And how can you believe and not confess what you believe.



Mt 12, 34b:

for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.



So I ask you: How can I make myself hear something that is not said in a way I can hear it? And how can I make myself hear something not that is lound and easy to understand?



How can I not believe what is obvious? How can I be presented truth in a way I understand it and not believe it? Why would God open up the truth in a way for me so I cannot understand it?



What yo say about deeds We have to do come from alone, they are not something we have a choice about. Either we have been touched by God so that we believe, and that only based on His grace and nothing we did, and all this will follow, or we are not touched (yet) by God and we will neither see nor be able to confess the truth.



God bless you

De Benny

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 10:33 AM

It is very simple, man has a will and right to chose to hear or to choose to believe, by the way I did not say that the bible did.



It is right in the scriptures posted, believing is acting as if the word of God is true, you cannot believe with the mind, it is of the heart or Spirit of man.

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 11:54 AM

I always thought the heart was there to pump blood through the body, and not to believe...



But maybe I have just listened not enough in biology class...:laugh:





Honestly: When you believe something, of course it is not all cold calculation and reason, it is something emotional, so if you mean that with heart, I'm with you. But still it doesn't lock reason out. You cannot go and say: My heart believes Jesus resureccted, but my brains know there is no such thing as people rising from the dead, or am I wrong?



God bless you

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 09:24 PM

I cannot agree with that, no part of man's senses has anything to with communing with the lord.

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 09:44 PM

Greetings my brother chosen by Him!Wisdom, both blessing and curse in this life!

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Posted : 18 Apr, 2010 09:58 PM

Man of god it is of no relevance to make senses, the word will never make senses.



As far as you telling me what to do, you have no merit, or ability to say anything to any body until you reconcile yourself with the lord.

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