Thread: Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
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Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 18 Mar, 2010 11:52 AM
Should believers, that is those who are born again and have a living relationship with Christ be involved with Missionary work or programs relating to such works?
My answer will surprise most everyone. The answer is a resounding no! Nowhere in scripture to we find where anyone is commanded to be a missionary.
I also realize many to prove God's authority for missionary work are going to use Matthew 28:190-20 when Christ told His 11 disciples to go into the world, ect. I'll give it as shown below.
Matthew 28:19 �Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 �Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Also more of this commission is found in Mark 16:14-18 and this rounds out with more detail, what this commission is all about.
Mark 16:14 �Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 �And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 �He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 �And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 �They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
There are several reasons why this commission is not for today. One, the signs that shall follow them that believe shall cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Secondly, no signs no commission. Also to back up the fact there is no commission is because Paul said they fulfilled it. Proof:
Colossians 1:23 �If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Third, this commission was not in connection with the church at all. It was in connection with Christ offering Israel their promised Kingdom on earth with Christ reining for a thousand years. Another subject for another time.
Also when we are in God's truth, God will bring people to us to witness to. {MY words}
Since no direct reference is made concerning missionaries as done today here is what is said in God's word.
Romans 10:17 �So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 14:23 �And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Also God's word says we don't have to know of Christ to be saved.
Romans 1:20 �For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Fourth, God's spirit is in the world convicting man of sin.
John 16:7 ��Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 �And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 �Of sin, because they believe not on me;
The bottom line is that God has the responsibility dealing with everyone's relationship or lack of one with the Lord. God will certainly use whoever he wants but no is lost for lack of witness from a missionary.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2010 12:34 AM
dear ella, i sure do love your fire.. but it needs to be a controlled fire..
your words here
Nevertheless, before I jump all over you about your post to me
mine here
i really wouldnt advise you to go there..
the purpose is to ask you to please not use the personal insults to gary.. whether i agree with him or not that makes no difference..
that doesnt give any of us the right to make personal insults to him just because we dont agree.. ya see? we can speak our beliefs without insulting him.. callin him names .. ect.. and folks are gonna believe different here at times and we cant just go around issuing personal insults to them just because we disagree..
now we can sure speak our beliefs and what we believe..
and we can do so without the personal insults..
when you say stop the foolishness , thats sayin he is actin a fool.. callin him a fool ect... unnesecery and uncalled for..
you words here..
BTW, why would you thnk that What Gary posted was an insult to me or what I do as a missionary? It was not an insult to me, it was an insult to God's word out of unbelief and spiritual ignorance in the word of God.
mine here..
see theres more personal insults towards gary.. you say he has unbelief and he is spiritually ignorant..
see you are not discussing just your beliefs here now.. you are tellin him just how you feel about him and how you believe he is.. .. foolish and ignorant and of unbelief.. see thats a personal insult.. and against the rules here.. so that is why i ask you to once again please dont continue to do this..
i know you can make your points without doin so.. lots of folks do .. everyone here is asked to do so ..
your words here
Please know you may not like what I say, just as I don't like how you have tried to denunce the call of the missionary
mine here
that is why i believed you were insulted by his words to you..
if you really werent then please do accept my apologies to you for that mistake..
im posting the rules here for the chat forum for you to make sure that youve seen them.. theyre on the main forum page.. but not everyone sees them so i will repost them here now below...
Obscenity, Inappropriate Language or Insults WILL NOT BE TOLERATED HERE. If you are found to be in violation of these terms, your profile will be deleted and you will be banned from the site. Also, do NOT promote your website or product here- links are prohibited.
Sorry for the stern message but this is very important. Now have a blast!
again i really do admire you and respect you for your good works.. just need ya to tone down the personal insults.
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2010 01:20 AM
dear gary,
your words here
Cattleman, you sure amaze me with your accusations. I'm wondering if you have any understanding or have read any of the scripture I have given.
I'll try to keep it simple for you. You said there are many kinds of ministries.
mine here
amaze you.. hehe wow i have never amazed anyone before . thats a first..
i did in fact read all the scripture you gave.. i still come to a different conclusion than you though..
i do believe i recieved your earlier point. just like i get what youre sayin here now..
now makin like im dumb and a simpleton, one who cant understand anything you say.. ,you should know by now that kind of talk is unesecery and uncalled for.. please stop that kind of condescendin talk to me or anyone else here..you know that goes against the rules.. even if its true its still not allowed here..hehe
thank you for your cooperation..
you know it wasnt just that i said there are many kinds of ministries but yet it came from the word of GOD..
1 corinthians 12:4-7 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
your words
Therefore there should only be one ministry with all believers being of the same mind.
thats not what the words just said above here.. it says that there is differences in ministries and diversity of activities.. yet its the same LORD .. the same GOD who works all in all.
your words again
Please read now, where it says there is only one faith, it is not God's plan to have the faith of your choice. No wonder there is so much confusion and illiteracy concerning God's word. Believers are to be of one mind, speak the same things. Not different ministries with different doctrines.
mine here
which faith did you choose gary? correct me if i am wrong but didnt you put on your profile you are non denominational? and just so ya know i dont think anything is wrong with that... thats what ill be when i start a church the good LORD willin..
and didnt i also hear you say here before that you studied and taught yourself the bible? i mean with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT...
do you realize that thats what alot of us here done also..and had the word preached to us.. yet we chose the closest denomination to what we believe the bible said to us.. folks that believe like we do..
you see we are tryin to be of like mind? by being with those who believe as we do.. now we could all go non denominational but folks still wont agree with everything we may believe...
but for some reason not everyone gets the same thing out the bible.. that means someones gonna be wrong sometimes or maybe even all the times.. it could be me, it could be you , could be anyone.. maybe its when we put our own thoughts into it and not really hearing the HOLY SPIRIT talkin to us.. i dont know for sure..
is it sposed to be like that? i dont think so..
thats all a denomination is is folks bein likeminded who basically believe the same way on most all things..
so if youre tryin to say that denominations arent tryin to be likeminded .. well i believe we are ...
just not everyone else is bein agreeable hehe.. and were not bein agreeable to them either..
but folks are tryin to be likeminded.. even here on the forums we are all tryin to teach our beliefs.. even yourself gary.. see you got a denomination even though you dont name it.. other than non denominational.. but isnt that a denomination in itself?
your words here
I hope this will be a help to you cattleman and perhaps an eye opener for you.
mine here
i do appreciate your concern gary.. just remember the road can possibly go both ways..
Is The Missionary Program found in Demoninations Necessary in Light of God's Word?
Posted : 21 Mar, 2010 02:45 PM
Hi Walter, Since I have been on here, this is the one time I've read a reply that I agree with, well most of it.
You are correct we are saved by grace and not by any of our own works.
My question for you is, if you don't mind answering it; what is your stand on water baptism, tithing, communion which seemed to be the favorite fleshly ordinances of sectarian doctrines?
Do you believe in one baptism or do you believe in two? One spiritual and the other Jewish in nature and is ceremonial? Or how about communion, the consuming of a waver and wine?
I'd be most interested in seeing where you stand on these issues.
