Author	Thread: Is God a murderer?
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 12 Feb, 2010 07:47 AM Ok....so, many times in the old testament there examples of God committing what would appear to be genocide in our eyes. Killing off whole cities, destroying everything...leaving nothing alive...but if you look closely enough, you can see that God always gives people a chance. Look at the flood. Evil in this world was at it's highest peak, but before God destroyed everything He gave everyone 120 years to listen to Noah, and to repent and board the ark. Didn't help much, but He did it. Nineveh...God sent a prophet to tell them they were going to be destroyed, and here's a good example of God's mercy. They repented and He withdrew His sentence. Sodom and Gomorrah. Again, God would have spared the city if there would have been 5 good people. Lot and his family made four. They couldn't find one other good person in either city. The land of Canaan. Here's a good example of God's plan throughout history. There were two reasons the Israelites were made to wander through the desert for 40 years. First reason was a punishment for their lack of faith and obedience. Second reason was that the Amorite's(and possibly all of Canaan's inhabitants) sins had not reached their fullness, God had given them around 500 years to repent. In Genesis 15:13-16 God reveals a prophecy about Abraham's children. Anyway...I guess my point is that even though God executes these punishments, He has always given people a chance to turn away from their sin, and the bible probably doesn't record all the things that God did with these increasingly evil people to try to bring them back to Him...who knows how many prophets and messengers He sent. It's not God's will that any should perish, but sin causes everyone to perish...so He kinda has to get rid of sin. Destroying the wicked is a "strange act" for God, but He has to destroy the wicked to save the innocent. Evil people have free will, and they use it to choose to disobey God and avoid His salvation. True...they would probably all repent if they could see their end, but that is not true repentance. Fear of punishment is the wrong motivation. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 08:23 PM It is very important, how you communicate the word, that is the issue. Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 10:15 PM PJ, I know where you are in your walk brother. I have been there myself. Let me say, the original language is way more important than you can know at this point. I know you are not ready to receive that, but it is true. Also, self righteousness does not further the Kingdom of God. A good Christian will quietly hold themselves to a higher standard while encouraging those around him that are stumbling. Always without judging them for their shortcomings. Blessings, Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 13 Feb, 2010 11:16 PM "Also, self righteousness does not further the Kingdom of God. A good Christian will quietly hold themselves to a higher standard while encouraging those around him that are stumbling. Always without judging them for their shortcomings." Excellent. In Christ Garrett Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 14 Feb, 2010 04:58 AM There is no greater act any christian can do that accept Jesus at his word!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 14 Feb, 2010 05:09 AM We cannot even begin to begin to start to begin to undertand what God Is or How or Why He does what He does. Explain to an ant the complexity of DNA? When I paint...I may struggle for hour and then decide to scrape off all of the paint I placed on the canvas. Am I a Murderer? Nothing and I mean absolutly Nothing happens on this Earth that God is not aware of and allows to happen. God was aware of the earthquake in Haiti and the suffering that came from it...God allowed it to happen...for whatever reason! John...you have an idealize interpretation of Scripture and a very narrow and "limited" understanding of other opinions. Quite frankly...I question your "reality" and if you and I were sitting on a bus bench...I would have moved "Way" far to the other side of the bench by now. Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 14 Feb, 2010 07:22 AM I understand, but that will never change Jesus and his word. He is not a man that he will lie. Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 14 Feb, 2010 09:23 AM dear folks, a little reminder... we can disagree with one another and prove our points without having to tell the other person we disagree with just how we believe they are. or how we believe they are doing..ect. you make it personal when ya start takin little digs at someone who disagrees with you.. we all really need to do better.. as here we have many different denominations and folks come from all walks of life and at all different places in their walks.. so yep were gonna have alot of folks disagree with alot of folks.. thats not the way to teach .. plus it may be keeping others from wantin to contribute as they may have a fear of bein talked to like that if someone disagrees with them as well.. and that is a concern that some folks have made known to me..they wanna contribute but yet they dont because they have this fear.. that shouldnt oughta be.. i mean hey put the fear of GOD in folks but not the fear of joinin us.. ya know.. heres how ya teach 2 timothy 2:24-26 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. someone had a question One thing love is, is protective, is it to be permissive? my words here no its not.. thats why its very importand to speak out on what you believe to be the truth.. someones question again My intention would never be to make a scene, but is that not what happens when you say things publicly that are contrary to the truth, my words here i dont think most folks intentionally try to make a scene .. and when someone says something that we percieve to not be the truth ,thats not what makes a scene either.. thats what makes a good discussion and even a good debate,but not a scene.. it cant become a scene unless we make it one.. ya know dear folks, everyone think of it like this.. sposin an atheist or an unsaved person comes in here and asks questions or makes comments.. would we tell them them we disagree with them ? yes we would .. then do we try to convince them by telling them just how wrong they are?or how messed up their thinkin is? or do we tell them we disagree with them and and tell them what we believe and why we do..... just plant some seeds and show them how wonderful it is to be saved by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB and how they too can find that same salvation.. and watch and see if they grow to fruit? remember not everyone will accept what we percieve to be our truth.. our belief.. sometimes we plant a seed and then someone else comes along and waters it at a different time and place.. sometimes it takes fruit on rock.. and sometimes it does indeed take fruit in good siol.. and sometimes we may just be wrong.. we are mere men and women and can be fallible.. remember its a testimony in us that theyre watching.. do they wanna have what we have or act like we act? there are times that we prolly all have treated our brothers and sisters in CHRIST worse than we have unsaved folks.. because we believe they should have it right always and believe the same truth as us.. . we expect so much more from them.. yes we do and we expect them to be just like us little mini mees ... hehe well it shouldnt oughta be that way.. sure we expect more from christian folks,,but remember folks is at different places in their walks than us.. and also its a good chance that none of us have the whole truth GODS truth right 100% all the times.. i mean you even take denominations , lets say mine pentecostol ,and you put a bunch of us together and even we will disagree with each other on some things.. hehe lets just keep this in mind folks.. thanks ole cattle Post Reply
Agnos View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 14 Feb, 2010 04:47 PM Well, I have learned that when some men of God [I have the honor of having met here] speak... no much is needed to add... Ole, your are the "balance" and equilibrium of this Forum, thank God for you. Apart from the theme of this post I have to say: Oh!! God!! I am so happy to be back to the Forum!! :yay: I have been far for some weeks, and then I could not resist the solitude, even when I had no option,... and I could not keep more silence when I saw the title "Is God a murderer?" Thanks GraceMae and Jude for keep writing to me, you are awesome sisters!!!!. I have just read that Arch was out for a while too... sorry I missed the Good Bye and that BBQ, that was not fair!!! Glad you are back and glad that I can be here again learning and sharing our Love for God again!!! Back to the theme... I started to learn about the God's sovereignty with some of the elders of my first church, they scared me to death by then... Now, even when I have tons of questions to make, it is my comfort the fact that God is in Control of everything, there is no more fear to face by ourselves, He has everything in His Hands... and the Father, the Son and the Spirit ... keep us united, no matter how different "we think" we are... God is Love, we can not go out from Him... so, not out from Love and Harmony... Agnos Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 14 Feb, 2010 07:42 PM Ok... weird thing happened today. My preacher talked about "thou shalt not murder" today. We're doing a sermon series on the ten commandments. Thought it was weird how this one fell on a day close to when this discussion was going on. A good point he made was that the original word was more accurately translated into "murder" than it was "kill". So, in some instances, this would help justify certain deaths. For example, within the next chapter, there are rules laid out in case a man unintentionally kills another man. These laws were designed to protect the guy who killed someone, simply because it wasn't intentional. There is another instance where God sets a punishment as "stoning". So... there are some instances where killing is not a sin. So... does God kill people? Sometimes, he allows it to happen... sometimes he causes it to happen. Does that put God in sin? Nope. Does that make God a murder or a killer? Neither. To be labeled one of those would be to assume that God's primary actions are to take life. We all know, however, that He GIVES life. THAT is what God is. That would describe His primary actions. Real quick... my apologies in advance. I am EXTREMELY tired right now. Not a lot of sleep last night. Therefore... some things above may seem either scattered thoughts, or just plain stupid. I'll check back tomorrow once I've got some sleep. Happy Valentine's Day, all! In Christ Garrett Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Is God a murderer? Posted : 15 Feb, 2010 10:21 AM ...I know it's nice to think that God is never responsible for death...but no matter how you interpret the bible...God has taken peoples lives, and He will take peoples lives in the future. It's not murder. He is actually saving lives by taking them. If sin spread throughout the universe...just imagine the inexpressible pain and suffering for eternity that God is trying to avoid. The people that God judges have chosen to serve themselves, so God removes what He has given them. That does not mean that every death is by God's hand. Natural disasters are just that. Natural. Well...actually unnatural...but in a sinful broken degrading world...it's natural. Some are from the choices of sinful humans. Some are the result of sinful living. God is trying to lift us out of sin, and He has to destroy the people that choose to love sin...to get rid of sin. That's the only way. He's not going to force everyone to love Him, but He's also not going to let them destroy themselves and take the people that do love Him with them... :peace::peace: Post Reply

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