Author	Thread: Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced?
Admin	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 9 Feb, 2010 12:19 AM Hi Everyone, Someone just asked me about this issue and so I am bringing it up again. I did this once before but it is many pages back. The Mosaic Law/Covenant was a specific Covenant given exclusively to Israel and was never binding upon mankind as a whole. This has been a source of confusion among Christians. Let's look at to whom the Mosaic Covenant was given to. Exod 31:16-18 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.(KJV) Deut 5:1-3 1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. (KJV) [Moses them recounted the 10 Commandments in the following verses]. We see clearly from these statements that the Old Covenant, and particularly the 10 Commandments, were NOT universal laws binding on all mankind since creation, but were specific to Israel, from the days of Moses onward. So are the Ten Commandments part of the Mosaic Covenant? Exod 34:28 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. (KJV) Deut 4:13 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. (KJV) So we see from the above scriptures that the Ten Commandments are in fact "The Covenant" or let's say the centerpiece of the Mosaic Covenant. There is also no difference between the terms Mosaic Covenant, Old Covenant, The Law and The Mosaic Law and the Law of Moses. They are all the same thing. The Bible makes no distinction. Now when Jesus came He came to give us a New Covenant via His sacrifice for us. It is through His sacrifice in which we are able to be grafted into the Jewish New Covenant and inherit the blessings of entering the Kingdom of God. Jer 31:31-32 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: (KJV) It must be emphasized that this NEW Covenant is NOT a Gentile Covenant but a Jewish Covenant given to Israel First and then we who are Gentiles can be "grafted into" this Jewish Covenant. Jesus gave the New Covenant to His Apostles who are the 12 representatives of the 12 tribes of Israel in whom the Promise of this NEW Covenant was promised by God. So now that we have a New and better Covenant, what happened to the Old one? It was completely done away with and replaced. You cannot have two covenants running at the same time. That defeats the purpose of the New one. Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH� 9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD. 10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. 11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM. 12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." Now look what Paul says next about the New and Old Covenants. 13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first OBSOLETE. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to VANISH AWAY. Paul said that the first Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, has been made "obsolete" and that it was ready to "vanish away". Why is that? Because The New Covenant that was promised by God has now come into being. God fulfilled His promise to Israel that He made in Jeremiah 31:31. He was going to make a New Covenant and it was not going to based upon the Old Mosaic Covenant. It was going to be something entirely new. Heb 10:8-10 8 Above when he said, "Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law"; 9 Then said he, "Lo, I come to do thy will, O God." He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (KJV) In verse 9 above we have clear language that demonstrates that God took away the Mosaic Covenant so that He may establish the Second Covenant. Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Above in Ephesians 2:14 we see that Jesus Christ "abolished" the Law of commandments contained in ordinances. What are those? Those are all the Laws contained in the Mosaic Covenant. All 613 of them which includes the original Ten Commandments. Does this mean that we can now murder and commit adultery? Of course not. Jesus implemented God's "Moral Principles" in the New Covenant which is also known as "The Law of Christ". It is important to distinguish between God's "Moral Principles" and the laws themselves. In part two I will address the New Covenant, The Law of Christ. Before I do I would like for you to examine the situation that the Early Church was having regarding the Gentiles and how the leaders of the Church came to the theological conclusion that the Gentile Christians were never under "the Mosaic Law" and were never bound to any of it's requirements. (Acts 15:23-24) �The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings, Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, �You must be circumcised and keep the law� � to whom we gave no such commandment � it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.� . Act 21:18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality." Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 10:38 AM Hi PhillipJohn, You said: if you plan on going thru the tribulation, you would have to be under his wrath, again not accepting the word of God as truth." WALTER: If you want to discuss the False Teachings of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory, that's fine but let's do it on another thread that is designed for that. I don't want us to go off on bunny trails. OK? Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 01:54 PM where does it say concerning his first coming...how is it you think all this has to do with just his first coming...first coming first coming first coming...i don't see Yahshua say anything about first coming...i see that not one jot or tittle will fall from the law until ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL.........is fulfilled...now i know for a fact and you cannot refute this even with scripture that all is fulfilled...so all you have left is to show me where you get the idea that Yahshua is saying that we no longer have the law now because all in his first coming is fulfilled...haven't seen it...will never see it because you made it up...or somebody told you something made up...or somebody told them and they told you something made up...that's how false doctrines start...so...again you've proven me nothing and you are blind to the truth i've shown you... Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 02:08 PM The words indicated in Bold are censored from the CDFF Forum: Walter...no matter what interpretation you think your getting out of the KJV...it is erroneous...the only real way to know what the word says is to read it from a Hebrew bible...and i already know you won't go there...why? i have no clue since hebrew in general has much more meaning in the words than english...and it's almost impossible to translate without adding or taking away from it...plus the scribes took away the true name of the messiah and the name of his father because they believed the name to be too sacred...which is stupid...to say the least...his true name is to be renowned through the nations...and by no other name by which man is saved but by this name...Yahshua...im not the one that needs a history lesson here...but already this is getting pointless cuz christians are blind to the truth and all i can do is plant seeds...you are the one who has to look for yourself and find it...by the way your pagan "Jesus" name wasn't even a concept until the 1500's...his name is Yahshua...proclaim it.. Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 03:10 PM No !!!! It stands firm. Christ fulfills the LAW of the Old Testiment as written in Isaiah. New Testiment - ANKJ & NKJ Matthew 5:17 -"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law/Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 - "For verily, I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in (no wise pass from the law,) till (ALL) is fulfilled. Yeshua/Jesus goes on speaking in parables/examples to explain these Laws to (all) peoples. Isralites/Hebrews/Jews/Gentiles in a manner that they could understand... Word is Word and (All) will be fulfilled at HIS second coming... Come quickly LORD...xo Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 04:09 PM 2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, having been engraved in letters in stone was with glory (so that the sons of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses because of the glory of his face), which was being done away; 2Co 3:8 shall not the ministry of the Spirit be with more glory? 2Co 3:9 For if the ministry of condemnation is glorious, much more does the ministry of righteousness exceed in glory. 2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 2Co 3:11 For if that which has been done away was glorious, much more that which remains is glorious. 2Co 3:12 Then since we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech. 2Co 3:13 And we are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of the thing being done away. 2Co 3:14 (But their thoughts were blinded; for until the present the same veil remains on the reading of the old covenant, not taken away.) But this veil has been done away in Christ. 2Co 3:15 But until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is on their heart. 2Co 3:16 But whenever it turns to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. 2Co 3:17 And the Lord is that Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Lift the veil, my friend, and receive the truth. Leon Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 05:17 PM Seek, This discussion would not be pointless if you had a teachable spirit. I see that you are so convinced in your own mind of what you believe that you are able to see the clear truth in scripture. I have demonstrated with sound exegesis that Jesus fulfilled all the prophesies concerning His First coming. Jesus said so Himself in the scriptures I listed. He even used terminology such as "ALL Fulfilled". You need to look again at my post above. Another error you have made is regarding the original language the New Testament was written in. It was not Hebrew but Greek. There is absolutely no evidence of any Hebrew NT manuscripts ever existing! FACT! Did you know that the Jewish scribes about 200 years before Christ's birth translated the OLD Testament into Greek? It is called the Septuigent. Do you realize that in the overwhelming majority of times the Apostles when quoting the Old Testament quoted from the Septuigent and NOT the Hebrew? An irrefutable fact! Do you know why? Because Greek is a far superior language that is much more specific and technical and accurate. Additionally it was known that the Jewish scribes began tampering with the OT particularly where prophesies concerning the Messiah were concerned. Don't believe me? Get a Hebrew OT and look at Psalm 22 and compare it with the NKJV. The Hebrew Roots Movement is evil and they are nothing but modern day Judaisers trying to place people under bondage!This is not of God but of Satan! The question I have for you Seek is this. Do you want to learn and study with us or are you here just to fight? I would like to see a humble spirit from you and a haughty one. Grace to you! I Jesus holy name, Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 09:09 PM oh i am here to fight...for your right into the kingdom...and a teachable spirit i have...but one that has been opened up to the truth that Satan is hiding from you...i have a clear mind and a clear conscience when i meet my Messiah...so have no fear of that...it's your life i fear for...you do not even know that those who wish to follow Yahweh ARE the lost tribes of Israel...you do not preach Torah...be very fearful of my Elohim(Plural for Father, Son and Roach Ha Quedesh[holy spirit]) for it is he you will answer to on judgment day not me... and those you taught will have less harshness of punishment than you...your the one indoctrinated not me...lies...all lies...you believe a lie and one day you will see it...lets hope its not to late to repent when you do...Shalom to you and may the Roach Ha Quedesh open your eyes to truth... Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 10 Feb, 2010 09:50 PM Seek, Do not concern yourself with me and others on this board as our Salvation is secure in Christ as long as our Faith endures to the end. So Seek....do you believe that one must keep the Torah in order to enter the Kingdom of God? A simple yes or no answer will suffice. Grace to you! In Jesus name, Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 11 Feb, 2010 06:30 AM Oh yes...but im going to tell you why...because the path of righteousness in narrow and the gate to heaven is narrow...few will enter...but the path of evil and the gates of hell are broad...and many will go there...without Torah you are lawless...and that makes you no more righteous than the evil one himself...because he to is without Torah and therefore is lawless...lets just hope on judgment day you call out lord lord...that Yahweh doesn't say depart from me i never knew you...maybe before then you will seek out what i've been saying at least to get more information about it to see it all for yourself and realize you've been living a lie all your life... Post Reply
View Profile History	Mosaic Covenant. Was it done away and replaced? Posted : 11 Feb, 2010 06:42 AM let me just add one more thing to further my point...see...i used to believe as you do...then i was shown something i had never seen before and it made sense... of course i had not been indoctrinated for 10 or 20 years to be unwavering in my faith either....but still...now that the veil has been lifted i see the difference between what man thinks he should believe and what Yahweh still wants us to believe...its been the same all since the beginning...the only difference between the old covenant and the new covenant is that instead of being written on stone tablets...it's also written on our hearts...and therefore it gives us all the more reason to follow them...and we should take great joy in doing so...And YOU keep sabbath of all people...can't you see your picking and choosing what you think is righteous in your eyes...what about what's righteous in Yahweh's eyes...see things have been put in scriptures to test us to see if we would still keep his commands...and i pray one day you will understand this...Shalom Post Reply

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