Author	Thread: Divorce and remarriage
Admin	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 31 Oct, 2009 03:34 PM MDR, the chained wife "And the Pharisees came to him tempting him, and saying, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matt.19:3. This question was part of an on going dispute between the Shammaite Rabbis and the Hillelite Rabbis. Jesus rejected what was known as the "Any Cause" divorce advocated by the Hillelite view. And while He rejected the any cause divorce, he did not reject all divorce for any cause. In every passage where Jesus is quoted as saying divorce, He is actually saying put away which is very similar but not exactly the same as the divorce we think of today. He never uses the word for a written divorce certificate which is required for a (lawful) divorce according to the law Ezra 10:3b� Only when they ask about the divorce certificate does He bring up the hardness of heart. Because while many believe that put away and divorce are one and the same thing, (see http://www.christianpoly.org/divorce.php) &*note*, it was still possible for a wife to be put away and not be given a divorce certificate. This woman is called "Agunah" or a chained wife. It is not lawful to put away a wife except for fornication which is also a cause of uncleanness as written Deut. 241. If the husband hates the wife and puts her away he becomes hard hearted and his hatred becomes a snare unto him Mal. 2:16 (DDS). He should give the divorce certificate as the Law stated. That is why it was given in the first place (Because of hard heartedness). Jesus rightly says from the beginning it was not so. God created them as the same flesh and sin had not yet entered their lives. :yay: :yay: The church has failed in its attempt to minister to divorced people making them feel as if they are less sanctified because of divorce. Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 5 Nov, 2009 09:09 AM Those verses in John bring up an interesting point. There were some sins that could not be forgiven. We could talk for hours on that subject, but what I want to say about that is The Apostles needed to Hear The Confession in order to be able to discern whether to forgive or not. Our God is All Knowing and Ineffably Wise. he gave His Ordained Ministers this Power so as to be able to counsel and guide where in Scripture one needs to read in order to avoid sin. Now God can do whatever he wants and if He wants to forgive your sins through your HotLine to God, he will and can; though for me it is much tougher when I have to account to my Brothers and Sisters my sins (which is the way it used to be -- Public Confession). Peace Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 10:09 AM No human that has every lived has been perfect except one. Jesus. Not Mary. Mary did not die for your sins. God had men create an man-made, imperfect ark for His perfect law and testimony. Mary was not sinless. The 2nd commandment says not to worship or bow down to any likeness of anything in heaven or earth. Early church fathers can be just as fallible as any man now. Paul was constantly writing to churches that were slipping away from their faith even then. The only thing I need to trust is the bible. Don't need anything else....nothing. Anything that comes after has to agree with scripture or it is false. False prophets, false teachings...whatever....we know it is false because we compare it to the bible, not the "church fathers". The bible is the sole source of true, it is all we need. If we really study it and compare scripture with scripture, the odds are you will come to a knowledge of the truth. My grandmother is catholic. Her priest tells her the bible is too complicated, and that she should come to him if she needs something explained. There are good godly people in that church, but I am frustrated with their beliefs. It should be so clearly unbiblical. All you have to do is look at "Saint Peter's" basilica. MASSIVE wealth and worldly renown. Then look at Jesus. Walk as Jesus walked. He said "Sell all that you have and give to the poor, then follow me". I see godly priests and nuns living in poverty to serve the poor. Living like Jesus. Why doesn't the pope sell a few million dollars worth of stuff and help them in their walk? He could rent out the basilica for parties and stuff...make a little on the side to help the poor priests help the poor. Anyway...I'm done ranting...sorry...it just makes me a little upset when I see the rituals and wealth that church has...when the bible is so plain and basic. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 01:29 PM Divorce and remarriage is a hot topic :waving: Here is an article addressing the divorce and remarriage debate between opposing views see http://expositorythoughts.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/recap-of-the-divorce-debate/ I would likely agree with Instone-Brewer. He gives four grounds for divorce affirmed in both Old and New Testaments: adultery, emotional and sexual neglect, abandonment (by anyone) and abuse. see Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1680709,00.html#ixzz0W7IsCgSb Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 06:53 PM Yeah, sorry guys...got a little off topic there. Anyway...we also have to remember that divorce for any other reason besides adultery could drive the spouse in question to commit adultery. So if you still care about this person at all, give them a chance to change. As Christians we have to believe everyone can change, it's what it's all about. Let them know what you're thinking...maybe just separate for awhile...and give them an opportunity for forgiveness/change...if they refuse, then they have chosen to disregard your/God's forgiveness and chose to continue on a path of selfishness/disobedience. Anyway...anybody can get divorced for any reason. The problems arise when they try to remarry again. That's when it undoubtedly becomes sin. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 6 Nov, 2009 08:02 PM If I'm not mistaken, the stated grounds for divorce is fornication not adultery. Adultery was only possible if a married woman was involved. In other words a married man visiting a prostitute was not committing adultery, unless the woman was married, Pr 7:19. It is still fornication, so is homosexuality and incest. Denying your spouse sex can also lead into temptations of fornication, 1 Cor 7:1-5, and can eventually lead to divorce. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 7 Nov, 2009 01:17 PM um...the result of marriage is that 2 become 1 flesh...anytime you have sex with someone besides your spouse would tear that union apart. Adultery is when you cheat on a marriage partner, yours or theirs...thats what I get anyway. I always thought "fornication" is all things sexually immoral, adultery included. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 7 Nov, 2009 06:36 PM Hi Archi, Sorry for not responding earlier. I have a lot going on right now but I will address all your post thoroughly over the next couple of days and look forward to our discussion. Blessings! Walter Post Reply
View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 7 Nov, 2009 07:20 PM Hey Dave!! :waving: I'm a little confused about your last post: "Adultery was only possible if a married woman was involved. In other words a married man visiting a prostitute was not committing adultery, unless the woman was married, Pr 7:19." I read Proverbs 7 and I'm not understanding. The description given in my Bible of Pr 7 is "Warning against adultery". Would you care to elaborate please? Thank you in advance!! :applause: Here it is: PROVERBS 7 1My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee. 2Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. 3Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart. 4Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman: 5That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words. 6For at the window of my house I looked through my casement, 7And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding, 8Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house, 9In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night: 10And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart. 11(She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: 12Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.) 13So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him, 14I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows. 15Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee. 16I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt. 17I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon. 18Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves. 19For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: 20He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed. 21With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him. 22He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; 23Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life. 24Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. 25Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. 26For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. 27Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death. Post Reply
Tarasye View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 7 Nov, 2009 07:52 PM I was always taught adultery included the violation of marriage vows if either the man or woman was married, and fornication was when there were no marriage vows involved. For to knowingly violate someone's marriage vows, is adulterous, even if they are not yours, you know they have made those vows, and the sin of adultery becomes you for causing them to sin. Fornication does not involve the breaking of marriage vows. Although just as damaging to the individuals, it does not damage a innocent spouse. As far as I can tell, one is about as ugly and low down in the eyes of the Lord as the other, its just that if you live as you should fornication shouldn't be involving a spouse or innocent children. No matter how you chose to split the hairs on that dog, its gonna be ugly and you're gonna get bit. Obedience in the Word, Purity for the Temple you prepare for the Lord, as He awaits His Bride the Church. Tarasye Post Reply
klmartin62 View Profile History	Divorce and remarriage Posted : 8 Nov, 2009 08:35 AM Hi Tandy, You need to look at verse 19 19For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: The word goodman can also be termed husband, so a married woman is involved in this. Blessings, Leon Post Reply

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