Thread: 🎶🎶 & another one gone another one gone another another fake miracle bites the dust 🎶🎶 🚫🧙♂️🪄 2 peter 1:16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables
🎶🎶 & another one gone another one gone another another fake miracle bites the dust 🎶🎶 🚫🧙♂️🪄 2 peter 1:16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables
Posted : 28 Mar, 2025 04:22 AM
MORRIS, Ind. (AP) — A laboratory analysis turned up nothing miraculous about red marks found on a Communion wafer at a Catholic church in Indiana.
The discovery at St. Anthony of Padua Catholic Church in Morris was unusual enough for a formal inspection, the Archdiocese of Indianapolis said.
But a biochemical analysis revealed only “fungus and three different species of bacteria, all of which are commonly found on human hands,” the archdiocese said Monday, adding that no blood was found.
The Catholic faith teaches that wine and a bread wafer signify the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Typically, they’re consecrated by a priest at Mass.
The host, or bread, with red marks had fallen out of a Mass kit at St. Anthony Church.
“Throughout the history of the Catholic Church, there have been well-documented miracles and apparitions, and each has been thoroughly and carefully reviewed,” the archdiocese said
🎶🎶 & another one gone another one gone another another fake miracle bites the dust 🎶🎶 🚫🧙♂️🪄 2 peter 1:16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables
Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 06:24 AM
The fact that you're backing away shows again that there's no proof of what you claim. People like you look for those who want to be told what to think Those types of people don't want to take the time to learn discernment because it's much easier to be told what to think and believe instead of work for it. There are many who are weak minded and can easily be led by unscrupulous people. A great example some are Democrats.
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Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 09:31 AM
i have 3 cases of healing i my own family with witnesses but when i gave 2 of them they were dismissed despite me personally being there when one happened and seeing that the other conditions, which can not be explained natuarally despite what those who werent there and know nothing about the case says, never return after being prayed for.
If you dissmiss someone's own accounts with no personal knowledge of what happened and dismiss all other accounts dispite the proof then it is only natural they wont bother telling you of any more because they already know the outcome regardless of the evidence.
I will give you one thing tho HM. At least you have said( i think on another thread) that you cant say it definatly wasnt a miracle. That is more than some will be willing to admit.
As for the ones in my family I know with no doubt whatsoever they were and not coz i want ro but because i have personally seen the evidence.
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Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 10:32 AM
Handyman
HM, you’re raising some very serious matters in question that charismatics should but haven’t adequately explained and in some cases deny.
For example, I have a friend who attends a shallow Evangelical church who actually buys into all that charismania deception. He told me one day about a friend of his who, although he walks normal and is in no need of a miracle, attends charismaniac “healing” services with his crutches. Yes, he walks in on crutches then he patiently waits his turn to walk up stage on his crutches for his moment of fame in the lime light. He’s all set. Suddenly the fake healer’s attention is on him. After a “prayer of faith” the fake healer announces him “healed in the name of Jesus”. At that point he throws his crutches away and walks normally across the stage as if healed‼️‼️😡 The ecstatic cheering ship of fools who so desperately want to believe miracles are for them clap and praise Jesus (for a fake miracle BTW)
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Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 10:40 AM
Cuzzie, lots of people have experiences that they can’t explain. Just because you can’t explain something doesn’t necessarily make it a biblical miracle on par with the miraculous works of Jesus‼️
For example, many people can’t explain David Copperfield’s magic tricks. Does that mean magic tricks are miracles because nobody can explain them⁉️⁉️
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Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 08:01 PM
So Cuzzie1 does that mean you're prepared to believe a man was raised from the dead?
I'm certainly not and it's from past experience with so-called Christians. I trust people who claim to be Christian less than those that don't. Because of my dealings with several people who played the part of a Christian and I put my trust in them as if they were Christian only to be burned at the stake by them. The problem is we expect Christians to always act like Christians and in doing so we set our selves up to be burned. Christians are just as, if not more likely to be dishonest. Many Christians think that because Jesus forgives them they can lie, cheat and steal.
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Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 10:41 PM
Ok so lets compare one last time here since some comments are on different threads.
Given that LD said he will take one that is like the blind man lets take a look
We would all agree when Jesus took 2 goes to heal the blind man that it was miraculous. Most would agree that both when he went from blind to seeing men as trees walking and when he went from men as trees walking to fully seeing clearly, they were both miraculous in there own right but if not then af least one of them must be deemed miraculous as you cant have 2 non miraculous instances put together to make something miraculous. That simply cant happen. Definatly not passing the smell test. . So if at least one must be miraculous then according to your criteria of needing to fully healed 20/20 vision, then it is the last one that must be called miraculous.
Given that the last must be called miraculous on its own then my aunties sight being healed must also be considered miraculous. If she didnt wear her thick glasses she would have seen men as trees walking like that man in the bible. She had prayer and was healed to full sight, like the man in the bible.
There are many witnesses to the fact that it did not happen slowly, including myself, as we all saw she just stopped wearing them even for reading. No gradual time frane just one day needed, then after prayer not needing them anymore.
Now that would come down to the reliability of her and the witnesses. Knowing her personally, i know her heart for God and seen her walk with him for several decades. In that time she has conducted herself in a Godly manner and shown to be a woman that is trustworthy, of good character and integrity and i know that those others that know her well would say the same.
So that leaves me. Am i lying? You can ask anyone that knows me well and they will tell you i am not lying and would not lie about it. Some know us both so can verify not only that i wouldnt but that it happened and she wouldnt lie either.
But most importantly i know when i face God that although he will point out some things, coz none of us have done our walk with him perfectly, he will not judge me on this coz i am telling the truth.
So her healing lines up with what can be deemed miraculous in the case of the blind man in the bible very closely
Now im guessing the response to this which is why i said there is no point even if have examples, but will be pleasantly surprised if im wrong.
On a different note. If you think we are not proving it despite evidence but you also say that you cant definatly say they are not miracles then we are effectively both in the same boat. One believing there are but supposedly not proving and the other believing there arent miracles but admit they cant say that the cases given definatly arent.
Yet only one side is being labeled gullible, Carasmaniac and from memory something like ..no place in christianity for them.
For the record, i have given the case of my auntie before on another thread and it got rejected which is why i could, and confident that after the response, can still say there is no point continuing. Not because of evidence but because it doesnt matter what is said or evidence given it will be rejected regardless.
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Posted : 3 Apr, 2025 11:22 PM
to be fair the no place in christianity remark may not have been directly aimed at us personally but seems like we were included in that. I could be wrong tho and if so please disregard my posting that part.
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Posted : 4 Apr, 2025 06:15 PM
Milky, I don’t believe you are “lying” about your auntie’s experience and healing. I believe you think a miracle took place.
The problem with your account, as given, is its dubious lack of detail. For example, you did not fully explain the facts relevant to the type of blindness suffered by your auntie or how she became blind originally. Was she born without eyes or was she in a state of total blindness or was she just “legally blind? Was she temporarily blind? I’m sure you get my drift. There are a number of medical conditions and concerns. And as far as I know, you haven’t explained your auntie’s initial prognosis—if indeed she was seem by a medical professional?
You shouldn’t criticize me because I’m pressing you for specific information—especially after you’ve blindly accepted, without hesitation, the hoaxy story spun by proven fake healer and proven false teacher Reinhard Bonnke.
Surely you understand that your personal credibility is at stake when you are found to be in the habit of believing nonsense.
Sorta like the proverbial boy who was in the habit of crying wolf when there was no wolf. Then, when it turns out there really was a wolf no one believed him.
All that doesn’t mean everything you say is false. It just means you’ve sacrificed at least some of your believability.
Gullibly believing a proven liar like Reinhard Bonnke sorta taints the truthfulness of things you may want to share in the future and you will come across as unconvincing even if you are selling the truth.
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Posted : 5 Apr, 2025 09:31 AM
I have to wear glasses for reading only and had to go through a thorough medical examination by an eye proffesional to to find out the strength needed for each individual eye and if disease etc and get them . So i can guaruntee someone like her with far worse eye sight had to do the same.
Does it rrally matter the prognosis? What did one of the blind men Jesus healed say when pressed. All i know was omce i was blind and now i can see. No prognosis there.
I guess its easier to believe when have seen than for those who havent especially for those like myself who are naturally a bit sceptical at times. I guess that puts me at least close to being a "Thomas" but i do believe in miracles because have had 3 in my extended family.
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Posted : 5 Apr, 2025 11:20 AM
Thank you Cuzzie
I’m glad you’re skeptical. Not all skepticism is bad. For one thing, there are MANY false teachers out there and you must be skeptical of their claims.
I mentioned the prognosis because many people confuse natural healings with miraculous healings. God should be praise for both but to refer to a natural healing as a miracle is to confuse biblical terminology.
Feel free to comment further thank you for participating 😀
