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Matthew 7 verses 21-23
Posted : 22 Jul, 2021 07:35 AM

21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’



23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’



Why does Messiah say the people doing miracles, casting out demons and prophesying were workers of lawlessness.

When is it against the law to prophesy, cast out demons or to do miracles.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 02:03 PM

But there is more dear readers to expose of CULTIST rsvp latest writings APART from truth of Scripture! Read on!



Cultist rsvp writes in thread above - 'The Father and the >>>Son send the Holy Spirit.<<< The Holy Spirit does not send the Father and the Son.'



Note his own words contradict the Bible verses below he gives right after his CULTISH statement!



John 14:26, “But the Helper, the >>>Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send<<< in My name, He will teach you all things…”



John 15:26, “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you >>>from<<< the Father, that is >>>the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father…”<<<





Really cultist rsvp? Cultist rsvp states that it is also the 'Son (that actually) send(s) the Holy Spirit' ???



Note dear readers, right before your very eyes you can read the Scripture for yourself he posts, that CULTIST rsvp quotes and TRIES to twist with all his devilish might and has NOT A CLUE what it says, or does he, because he does NOT rightly divide the truth!! That's right, rsvp claims we readers are as

BLIND and DUMB as he is (in his cult PAGAN doctrine) when he says 'the Son send(s) the Holy Spirit' that so clearly comes from the Father ONLY!



What a contradiction!



Note Yah'shua the Messiah says - 'the Holy Spirit, whom the >>>Father<<< (YHWH) will send in My name (Yah'shua)'



Also - 'the Helper (Father's set apart Holy Spirit!) comes, whom I (Messiah in the flesh) will send to you >>>from the Father,<<<



Its so obvious the Holy Spirit is NOT another 'god/gud or gawd' as rsvp believes, is it not dear readers? So really what is cultist rsvp agenda in trying to change Scripture writing? To get people onboard (sinking ship that is!) his IDOL teachings of many PAGAN Egyptian deities, right? You see cultist

and PAGAN rsvp HAS TO CHANGE that the Messiah is just another 'god/gud or gawd' as he calls Him, not wanting readers to know the CONTEXT of the Bible that says the Father put His WORD in the HUMAN flesh (John 1), called it His Son (just like he calls us son's and daughter's of YHWH when we CONTINUE to believe BY HIS POWER in us to live sinless lives) which of course the Father's WORD >>>IS<<< the EVERLASTING FATHER Himself in the flesh (Isaiah 9:6).



Bottom line folks, cultist and PAGAN rsvp has an agenda to teach his PAGAN trio of 'god's/gud's or gawd's (even though he never calls them by plural cleary!) that like his PAGAN keeping cathoholic 'church' adopted from the Egyptians, to you forum readers but he does NOT even mention them in plural clearly, if ever I recall, and I correct him HERE but he doesn't even respond to his own error from other posts when he always calls his 'god/gud or gawd' singular in name but strangely not 'god's/gud's or gawd's' by his OWN claimed (and advertised here) PAGAN beliefs!? LMBO!



Now readers, scroll up and read his (rsvp) other statements that contradict Scripture he posts right before your eyes and see if you see the problem in his PAGAN CULT teachings?

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 02:36 PM

Why—thank you TeddyBug for referring to me as you’re “dear reader”. How precious, that just tugs at my heart strings‼️

Is there anybody else besides me who enjoys the TeddyBug Comedy Blog? Guess I’m one of one.

TeddyBug, here’s the deal, I will give you 5 thumbs up for hearty and hilarious!! However, your credibility doesn't fair as well and probably wouldn’t get you a job but hey, who needs a job when you’re that funny‼️‼️😂😂😂😂

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 02:36 PM

Why—thank you TeddyBug for referring to me as you’re “dear reader”. How precious, that just tugs at my heart strings‼️

Is there anybody else besides me who enjoys the TeddyBug Comedy Blog? Guess I’m one of one.

TeddyBug, here’s the deal, I will give you 5 thumbs up for hearty and hilarious!! However, your credibility doesn't fair as well and probably wouldn’t get you a job but hey, who needs a job when you’re that funny‼️‼️😂😂😂😂

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Matthew 7 verses 21-23
Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 03:33 PM

Hugs

Lacks knowledge and he's very much in ignorance.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 08:18 PM

Hello everyone;

Now that the smoke has cleared from all of the pride, anger, self righteousness, judgement, name calling from those calling themselves 'christians', let us look to see what the topic is about.



Matthew 7 verses 21-23

Posted : 22 Jul, 2021 07:35 AM



21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’



Question:

Why does Messiah say the people doing miracles, casting out demons and prophesying were workers of lawlessness.

When is it against the law to prophesy, cast out demons or to do miracles.



Quiznos: The person closest to the answer was hugs, yes hugs, when he said they had broken the law.

Remember, this was before Messiah had gone to the cross, there is before the cross, and what happens after the cross.

In the Greek manuscripts from which the English translation derive their understanding, the posted Scripture actually says this.

We DID NOT prophesy to your name, or in your name cast out demons, or in your name do many miracles.

What these men had done were accomplished, to, or in another name, not the name of YAHOVAH or Yashua.

That is why Messiah says that He never knew them, he actually says, i never knew you in the past, i do not know you now, and i will not be knowing you in the future.

These people had violated the first commandment.

You shall have no other gods before me.

This is why the works of these people were considered LAWLESSNESS.

Question#2

The first commandment says;

You shall have no other 'gods' before me.

If, there is only one GOD, why is 'gods' plural, not singular.

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 08:33 PM

We need to take a look at all of Matthew 7 not just a few verses

The recipe is so simple, but we still want to do things our own way. People still want to justify themselves by their own efforts. If we could do that, we would have reason to boast, and we all, it seems, want to have reason to boast in ourselves. In Matthew 7:15–20 Jesus warns His audience about false prophets who will teach deceitfully about righteousness and bear the fruits of that falsehood. Jesus explains that these false prophets can be recognized by their fruits, even if their words are deceptive. Their words may come across as words of righteousness, but they aren’t faithful to the recipe that God provided. In fact, Jesus says, many of them will even call Him “Lord,” but their teachings and their deeds do not align with the will of God. Not everyone who says to Him, “Lord, Lord,” will enter His kingdom (Matthew 7:21). That honor is reserved for those who actually do His will. What is the will of God? That people change their minds (i.e., repent) about how they become righteous before God and come to Him with faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6)

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Posted : 23 Jul, 2021 08:43 PM

so why gods plural ❓ even today there are religions that bow before statues and icons, a practice forbidden by God’s Word. The significance God places upon it is reflected in the fact that the first of the Ten Commandments refers to idolatry: “You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me” (Exodus 20:3-5).



Idolatry extends beyond the worship of idols and images and false gods. Our modern idols are many and varied. Even for those who do not bow physically before a statue, idolatry is a matter of the heart—pride, self-centeredness, greed, gluttony, a love for possessions and ultimately rebellion against God. Is it any wonder that God hates it ?

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2021 01:42 AM

RSVP replies:

We need to take a look at all of Matthew 7 not just a few verses



The recipe is so simple, but we still want to do things our own way. People still want to justify themselves by their own efforts. If we could do that, we would have reason to boast, and we all, it seems, want to have reason to boast in ourselves. In Matthew 7:15–20 Jesus warns His audience about false prophets who will teach deceitfully about righteousness and bear the fruits of that falsehood. Jesus explains that these false prophets can be recognized by their fruits, even if their words are deceptive. Their words may come across as words of righteousness, but they aren’t faithful to the recipe that God provided. In fact, Jesus says, many of them will even call Him “Lord,” but their teachings and their deeds do not align with the will of God. Not everyone who says to Him, “Lord, Lord,” will enter His kingdom (Matthew 7:21). That honor is reserved for those who actually do His will. What is the will of God? That people change their minds (i.e., repent) about how they become righteous before God and come to Him with faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6)

Quiz:

Your reply was rather quick, which might show you did not look at the Greek text before answering.

Yes, we understand about the false prophets, but Messiah says there are those performing miracles, casting out demons and prophesying in Messiah name, yet He says what they are doing is LAWLESSNESS.

What constitutes lawlessness.

The copelands, benny hinn, sid roth and many of the health and wealth, charismatic-pentecostal, rodney howard browns, hillsong etc., these have never accomplished a miracle, never cast out a demon, and anytime the ssy they prophesy, there is never any visble manifestation.

These are just hucksters, charlatans,thieves, and decievers, suvh as the Olsteens, t d jake, pat robertson, those on TBN,and almost everyone one the radio and television calling themselves 'christians' are hirelings.

What about the ones writing books for money,movies, the list goes on.

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2021 05:14 AM

QUOTE THE QUIZ: “Your reply was rather quick, which might show you did not look at the Greek text before answering.” END QUOTE THE QUIZ

LITTLEDAVID: Come on Quiz, a quick reply means you didn’t look at the Greek—-REALLLLLLLLY ??? First of all, the English translation is sufficiently understandable in connection to the point conveyed by RSVP. Quiz, when you say “look at the Greek” are you referring to your introductory level concordance and lexicon studies again??

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Posted : 24 Jul, 2021 05:33 AM

Correcting the Quiz

QUOTE THE QUIZ: Yes, we understand about the false prophets, but Messiah says there are those performing miracles, casting out demons and prophesying in Messiah name, yet He says what they are doing is LAWLESSNESS.” END QUOTE THE QUIZ



Quiz, let me help. You’re first mistake, Jesus did not say “...there ARE those performing miracles...”, Jesus really said, there will be some who “will say...”.

You made your second mistake when you tried to create an anecdotal distinction between lawlessness and sin. Quiz, this is gonna sound like a news flash but here it is: lawlessness, disobedience and sin are all the >>same<< thing‼️‼️‼️

Your TeddyBug and you wanna separate lawlessness and disobedience from sin so you can claim you don’t sin anymore. Is that right? Correct me if I’m wrong, please!

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